Record Cold Forces Rethink on Global Warming

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  1. Josephwalker

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    Interesting article and the guy makes some good points. We may be reaching the end of the geo political global warming era and it may soon be relegated to a footnote in history.

    "The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact."

    "Yet, the recent weather is a stark reminder that a colder world is a much greater threat than a warmer one. While governments plan for warming, all the indications are that the world is cooling. And, contrary to the proclamations of climate activists, every single year more people die from the cold than from the heat."
    "Between 1940 and 1980, global temperatures went down. The consensus by 1970 was that global cooling was underway and would continue. Lowell Ponte’s 1976 book The Cooling typified the alarmism:



    "It is cold fact: the global cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species.


    Change the seventh word to warming, and it is the same threat heard today. The big difference is that cooling is a much greater threat. To support that claim, the CIA produced at least two reports examining the social and political unrest aggravated mainly by crop failure due to cooling conditions. The World Meteorological Organization also did several studies on the historical impact of cooling on selected agricultural regions, and projected further global cooling.

    The sad part about all this is that there was a strategy that governments could, and should, have adopted. It is called game theory, and it allows you to make the best decision in uncertain circumstances. It requires accurate information and the exclusion of a biased political agenda. The first accurate information is that cold is a greater threat and a more difficult adaptation than to warming. After all, if you prepare for warming, as most governments are now doing, and it cools, the problems are made ten times worse. However, if you prepare for cold and it warms, the adjustment is much easier.

    The current cold weather across much of the world should prompt us to re-examine climate realities -- not the false, deceptive, and biased views created and promoted by deep state bureaucrats through their respective governments."

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/record-cold-forces-rethink-on-global-warming/
     
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    No, record cold does not force reconsideration of global warming.

    JW is not telling you that twice as many heat records were set this last year in the US than cold records.
     
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    True because any short term record, such as our actual measured temperature record is not even long enough to prove GW.

    Even the fact that it has not statistically warmed in the US over the last two decades is a long enough record to prove or disprove GW.

    When it comes to trends, everyone is guessing using the short term. What will prove anything about the unverifiable hypothesis of GW is if the next 30 years whether it will continue to warm or if it will cool like solar scientists are predicting due to very low solar activity.
     
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    Even if that is true and I notice you didn't back the statement up with verification it's meaningless. How can we be having so many record cold events over the past several years in a climate that is warming dangerously fast as claimed by AGW adherents. It just doesn't make sense.
     
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    ANd what JS isn't telling you is that almost three times as many "record cold high temps" were set at the same time. Which means what? That for some, the effect isn't hitting a record high, it's suffering under the decided lack of heat, the kind of thing that destroys food production, the kind of thing that causes famine, and mass human misery. And, for the record, this observation includes the US, but is reflective of world collection, not just in the US. So, for example, how many places in the US yesterday chalked up their lowest high temps for the day? How many were records for any date? Those are the real records that matter.
     
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    Look at the positive side. Cold makes ice. Alexandria Occasional Cortex may have to add an extra year to her end of the in 12 years declaration.
     
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    What just occurred is a very interesting phenomena. Basically we had an extremely cold pocket in the Arctic region which broke out and headed south. Part of the argument for global warming has been the melting of the Arctic regions. This latest episode interrupted that argument.

    On the one hand the proponents of global warming say we should ignore short term events but on the other hand they use short term events as evidence of the warming. You can't have it both ways.
     
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    You suggest that this is unusual or something... like a jail break, and with as much enthusiasm. Do you have a predisposed expectation that sub zero temps shouldn't happen? Like this is remotely possible?? perhaps you just don't understand thermos dynamics...
     
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    it's always going to be cold during the winter, especially in the north. That's weather. The OP fails to understand the difference between weather and climate. In fact, the colder weather in the winter is caused partly because of climate change, just as the stronger storms, and the more frequent wild fires. It all is linked to the average global temperature, which is still going up.
     
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    Global warming isn't about science, it's about political ideology! The scientist's have been caught before altering data to try and make it fit the narrative! That is in the playbook for the left! In 1976, the cover story on Time magazine was about the dangers of 'Global Cooling'. In 1977 that changed to the dangers of 'Global Warming'. In my lifetime these are some of the dire warnings from the Global Warming crowd:
    * The East & West Coasts will be under water by 1990.
    * The earth will burn up by the year 2000.
    * The polar ice caps will melt by the year 2012.

    These are just some of the absurd predictions since 1973. In the world I live in you have to be right at least some of the time, in order to have any credibility!
     
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    FFS!!!
    Yes, we have had a cold spell. It lasted a few days. Big deal. Here in SD those cold spells USED to last a month. Not anymore. I don't see any mentions about the extreme heat in Australia. Why?
     
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    "But when it's record cold, the news reports don't mention global warming:

    A cold snap has delivered some of the chilliest temperatures in decades to parts of Australia’s east coast, with more frosty mornings to come.

    Both Parkes and Cowra in New South Wales have set new all-time coldest minimum temperature records today with the mercury dropping to -6.6 and -5.8 degrees respectively. Both sites opened back in 1958.

    Dubbo's low of -6.0 degrees was its coldest night in 78 years while Lithgow’s -9.3 degrees was the coldest it has been since 1972".

    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/...a/news-story/6545967e12ba597ca4f9de97fecd788c
     
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    Annnnd the record heat waves in Australia mean,,,,,,,,,
     
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    That is because most denialists have difficulty with the twin concepts of “average” and “global”
     
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    Humanity has not been measuring the temperature long enough to graph it correctly. The Sun does weird things and even a single Volcano can alter global temperature.

    It has been much warmer in the past and will be much warmer again. No amount of taxes will stop that.
     
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    Mixed in with the record cold they mean precisely nothing.
     
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    What temperature is the Earth supposed to be and does it constantly stay that temperature?
     
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    Your comments are meaningless, JW. You can look up the facts, to which you are so adverse. You simply make no sense on this subject.
     
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    :roflol: you obviously struggle with the "global" part of global warming. If the planet is gradually getting hotter then it will gradually get hotter everywhere.

    The greenhouse effect doesn't cause cold spots. If a Democrat wants to cool down their house they close all the windows and turn the heater on.
     
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    We know that the planet is warming, and we have solid data to prove this. Even many climate deniers admit the planet is warming, only that they don't believe humans are the cause. A couple weeks of record cold weather in some parts of the world does not refute a 150 year warming trend for the world globally. Even a single year for the globe that is well colder than other years doesn't stop the trend, because individual years do jump around a lot due to short-term cyclical patterns like volcanoes, ocean cycles, and sunspots.
     
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    The warning trend is a lot more than a 150 years.

    Earth will eventually reach its peak temperature which is much warmer than it is today. It will take a few million years though.
     
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    150 year warming trend kind of leaves out the LIA. How convenient. Yes by and large we have been warming since the little ice age ended and thank God for that. The LIA was a very bad time for humanity and we still have the remains of glaciers that were formed during that era
     
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    You might want to go back to high school science classes if you think there is an even warning of air in an ecosystem. Try reading how a thunderstorm develops, that will help you understand why violent storms are created when warmer air and cooler air collide.
     
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    I also saw on the news last night a report where Australia is suffering through record high temperatures as are other parts of the world.
     
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    They will just use their new "I win card "tactic, of claiming that everything and anything is just more proof of man-made global warming.

    To hot or too cold - proof of climate change
    Birds fly south, birds fly north- proof of climate change
    Too much rain, not enough rain- proof of climate change

    Everything is proof
     
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