Remember When Obama Promised to 'Eliminate North Korea's Nuclear Weapons Programs'?

I don't see what George Bush has to do with all this.

 

This speech was seen as very damaging to the process

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil

 

The NK's always pull tantrums and shoot off missiles or have tests about once a year to get money and food out of other countries. We always fall for it. Remember a year ago when NK had Obama and Kerry running around in circles chasing their own tails? We even cancelled a planned missile test of our own way over here off the California coast so that it wouldn't upset the NKs. Obama isn't going to do anything about NK. He isn't going to do anything about China in the East China Sea. Obama isn't going to do anything about Putin and eastern Europe. Obama isn't going to do anything, period. Except bankrupt the United States.

 

I'm sorry. Are you saying that N. Korea and S. Korea fail to reconcile because George Bush made his Axis of Evil speech?

 

No I am not - You asked what the criticism of GWB was - I have outlined the two main ones. Somehow, maybe for the point of an argument, you seem to think these are my arguments. If you ask someone for information - Dont shoot the messenger. It is a very tiresome debate tactic

 

Why do defensive? Calm down. I'm just trying to understand what the Axis of Evil speech has to do with N. Korea's nuclear program.
It seems to me the one (N. Korea's long time nuclear program) by far predates the speech by Bush so trying to get Obama off the hook for his pledge to disarm N. Korea by somehow blaming Bush for the problem is stupid, at best.

If you aren't making the claim don't worry, no one is blaming you.

 

Those were the "idiots" that watched Slick Willy Clinton and his incredibly stupid secretaries of defense/state look the other way when the CIA had Osama bin-Laden in their gun/missile sites BEFORE 9-11-2001 ever happened....on about 10 different occasions according to CIA bin-Laden desk coordinator, Michael Scheuer.

http://http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/04/28/media-miss-hypocrisy-clinton-claiming-romney-wouldnt-have-killed-bin

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Shortly after Clinton's blowup with Wallace, Scheuer went on CBS's Early Show and had this exchange with Harry Smith:

HARRY SMITH, CBS: Let's talk about what President Clinton had to say on Fox yesterday. He basically laid blame at the feet of the CIA and the FBI for not being able to certify or verify that Osama bin Laden was responsible for a number of different attacks. Does that ring true to you?

MICHAEL SCHEUER: No, sir, I don't think so. The president seems to be able, the former president seems to be able to deny facts with impugnity. Bin Laden is alive today because Mr. Clinton, Mr. Sandy Berger, and Mr. Richard Clarke refused to kill him. That's the bottom line. And every time he says what he said to Chris Wallace on Fox, he defames the CIA especially, and the men and women who risk their lives to give his administration repeated chances to kill bin Laden.

Less than two weeks later, Scheuer went on Fox News Sunday himself offering the following:

SCHEUER: Mr. Wallace, my opinion is not all that important. I went to a little Jesuit school in Buffalo called Canicius, and the priests taught us never to lie, but if you had to lie, never lie about facts. Mr. Richard Clarke, Mr. Sandy Berger, President Clinton are lying about the opportunities they had to kill Osama bin Laden. That's the plain truth, the exact truth.

Men and women at the CIA risked their lives to provide occasions to kill a man we knew had declared war and had attacked America four or five times before 1998. We had plans that had been approved by the Joint Operations Command at Fort Bragg. We had opportunities, many opportunities to kill him.

But that's the president's decision. That's absolutely the case. It's not a simple, dumb bureaucrat like me; that's not my decision. It's his. But for him to get on the television and say to the American people he did all he could is a flat lie, sir.

The Washington Free Beacon on Friday also noticed the hypocrisy in the Obama campaign ad:

Dick Polman of the Philadelphia Inquirer wrote in 2002 that Clinton “spurned Sudan’s offer [in 1996] to hand over bin Laden because the United States lacked enough evidence to indict him.”

This, Polman noted, would prompt Mansoor Ijez, a Clinton friend who had sought to negotiate the deal with Sudan, to lament, “Clinton’s failure to grasp the opportunity … represents one of the most serious policy failures in American history.” [...]

Retired Air Force Lt. Col. Robert “Buzz” Patterson, author of Dereliction of Duty, recounted an instance in the fall of 1998 when Clinton’s national security adviser Sandy Berger scrambled to notify the president that bin Laden and had been located and the military had “a two-hour window to strike.”

[Berger] picked up the phone at one of the busy controller consoles and called the president. Amazingly, President Clinton was not available. Berger tried again and again. Bin Laden was within striking distance. The window of opportunity was closing fast. The plan of attack was set and the Tomahawk [missile] crews were ready. For about an hour Berger couldn’t get the commander in chief on the line…

Finally, the president accepted Berger’s call. There was discussion, there were pauses – and no decision. The president wanted to talk with his secretaries of Defense and State. He wanted to study the issue further. Berger was forced to wait. The clock was ticking. The president eventually called back. He was still indecisive. He wanted more discussion…

Despite all the evidence pointing to Clinton ignoring numerous chances to capture or kill bin Laden, the Obama campaign is actually using him quite prominently to make the case that had Romney been president last year, Osama would still be alive.

If we had an honest media, they'd all be laughing in the President's face for using a man this way who allegedly passed on up to ten chances to take out bin Laden before thousands of innocent Americans were killed leading to two wars which cost our nation many more lives and treasure.

Be very scared, ladies and gentlemen, for it's only April.

Just imagine what these shameless people are going to do as Election Day nears.
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Bush told no lies...the lies came from your democrats...

 

One word...DEFLECTION

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At one time they used that biodegradable stuff to fertilize their rice paddies. Of course back then we called it 'honey'. It was always such a pleasure to pull Gate Guard Duty and watch the Honey Wagon approach.

 

The United States is not really in a position to decide who will have or not have nuclear weapons.
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None the less, North Korea had suspended its program because of the "agreed framework".

But when Bush treatened them out of the clear blue in his "axis of evil" speech, and pretty much telegraphed his intentions to start a war in the one county in the fictional axis that actully did not have a nuclear program, the message was clear.

The North Koreans got it and restarted their program and rushed to get the bomb as fast as they could.

That's the legacy of chickenhawks like Dumsfeld, Bolton, and Cheney.

 

I wouldn't say that.

But Bush's "axis of evil" speech motivated both Iran and North Korea to restart their nuclear programs.

There is no doubt about that.

 

There really is a doubt about it and idea that somehow Bush's speech caused two of the worlds most evil actors to suddenly ramp up moribund weapons programs is totally off the wall and without any proof at all.
Iran and N Korea have, in fact, never stopped working towards gaining nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them so the idea that
they "restarted" their programs due to the hurtful chastisements by George Bush is more than ridiculous. It is a fantasy.

 

The leaders of both nations are power hungry. Getting WMD is just another way of getting and keeping power. No, no speech making is motivating them to carry out their nuclear ambitions.

Iran might respond to sanctions, if we could get Russia to go along with them. Lil Kim doesn't care what happens to his people as long as he gets what he wants. Someone should take him out, but then, who knows what might fill the power vacuum there.

 

No, there isn't.

This claim is demonstrably false (hardly a first).

Both nations restarted their programs within months the Bush's speech.

Of course, Bush's speech was just the beginning of a steady drumbeat for war. The right wing noise machine in the US was fully invested in it. Talk radio hosts and Fox News practically screamed for war.

By the late summer, the outines of a full blown campaign were obvious to anyone in the world listening to the shrill and jingoistic tone of the Bush adminstration. By August, Dick Cheney was talking about "mushroom clouds" (even though the US was well aware taht Iraq had ended its nuclear program in 1996).

This was not lost on the two other nations that Bush threatened. And they acted accordingly.

Amazing, Bush dead enders still try and deny the obvious!

 

What did Reagan, Bush I and Bush II do to eliminate North Korea's nuclear weapons program? Will we be getting threads on them too?

 

I'll bet insults are lost on you so instead of getting in a peeing match with someone who obviously does not occupy the same world the rest of us live in I'll simply supply this timeline of North Korea's nuclear program (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_North_Korean_nuclear_program) and ask you to point out exactly where N. Korea divested itself of it's nuclear program, and then exactly when they started their program all up again.

Please don't run away from your claim now. I'll be waiting for your next post on the subject.

 

So was bush.

 

So was Clinton. So what?

 

No one can believe a thing he says! He's been promising for over a year now that he'd be making his decision on the Keystone Pipeline in s "few months." STILL don't have it. Then there's all the other lies.....like ,"if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, period." AND "if you like your health plan you can keep it...period."

All lies. And the lies continue......

 

I don't see anyone making excuses for Obama but merely pointing out that the guy the right voted for was equally vocal about North Korea and was both equally incompetent and unable to do anything but strut, posture and and tell Kim to "bring it on". Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, I'm sure you'll agree.

 

No problem.

North Korea suspended it enrichment program in 1994-6 under the "Agreed Framwork". It's enrichment facilities were shut and placed under monitor by the IAEA.

That remained the case until the early fall of 2002, right about the time the Bush adminstration ramped up its Iraq bluster campaign. Then the Bush adminstration unilaterally declared North Korea in breach of the Agreed Framwork.

As a result, North Korea withdrew from the Non Proliferation treaty and removed the seals from its enrichment facilities and restarted their program.

Its all there, right in your own post.

I noticed you played a little game of trying to move the ball. I never said that North Korea divested itself of its nuclear program. But you tried to put those words in my mouth. I said they suspended their program, which is true.

 

"Bush told no lies". Found those WMD yet?

 

You know what else is in there? In October of 1994 Hans Blix, the IAEA chairman, tells the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Select Committee that his monitoring agency is not happy with the agreement because N Korea is given too much time
to come into compliance.

And in March of 1996 has still not made it's initial declaration of how much plutonium it possesses.
And without that verifiable declaration, Blix states, the IAEA would not be able to monitor N Korea to insure it was in compliance and dealing in good faith. N Korea was in fact not acting in good faith as it was obvious to the IAEA they were being strung along and played for time.

In August of 1998 N Korea launched a Taepodong modified missile ICBM in a provocative test flight over Japan. indicating it was testing and displaying it's means of delivery of the nuclear weapons had been working on since the mid fifties.

Do you believe this real life Dr. Evil really suspended his nuclear weapons program? No one else does. You fail.

 

Obamas promises are worth less than the US dollar.

 

When did they promise to eliminate them and are they still President?