Remember When Obama Promised to 'Eliminate North Korea's Nuclear Weapons Programs'?

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/24/wikileaks-documents-show-wmds-found-in-iraq/
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1125087/posts

    Now post the evidence that would prove Bush knew beyond any doubt that there were NO WMD in Iraq, that the WMD UNSCOM had cataloged, the Ones the Clinton administration said he had in fact no longer existed and that Saddam would never ever again be a WMD threat.

    Links to this please. You see for you to declare he lied you first have to show he knew beyond a doubt otherwise and therefore told a lie.
     
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    Turin Well-Known Member

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    Just out of curiosity.


    How would you have gotten rid of their nuclear program?
     
  3. HogWash

    HogWash New Member Past Donor

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    Have these democrats found them yet? They were looking for them long before Bush.

    [video=youtube;XnjcofMFHsA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnjcofMFHsA[/video]

    [video=youtube;Cwqh4wQPoQk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwqh4wQPoQk[/video]

    [video=youtube;i87cZ3Og6ts]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i87cZ3Og6ts[/video]

    Let me know if you want to see more...
     
  4. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

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    Well, see it's like this. If you assert that there is no doubt (or you would have expressed such a doubt as a qualification), then that assertion is a lie. If Bush had said 'we think, etc...' that would have been something we call 'honesty'.
    Then there was the fiction of the 'mobile chemical weapons labs' complete with nice cartoons.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:P...ion,_alleged_Mobile_Production_Facilities.jpg
    Oh yes, and Osama's cave complex headquarters (with secret exits and hydro-electric power!)-again with nice graphics for the illiterate right-wingers to gasp in astonishment at. You lapped it all up and believed every last word of this transparent nonsense.
    Are you having fun yet?
     
  5. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    None the less, the IAEA did eventually monitor North Korea's enrichment facilities. I'm quite sure you came across that in your research, and decided to deliberately omit it.
     
  6. TomFitz

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    >>>Flame Removed<<<.

    Their record over the years has been on of serial dishonesty, out right lies, and hawking Bush adminstration spin.

    Bush was well aware that his "Niger yellowcake" claim was a lie when he said it in the State of the Union.

    We know that Rumsfeld's Defense Department scrubbed all the references about doubts regarding the credibility of most of the Bush' adminstrations' favorite intelligence sources from the National Intelligence Estimate before they fed it to Congress in 2002.

    We know that the US knew full well that Iraq had abandoned its nuclear program, even as Condi Rice and Dick Cheney were going around talking about "mushroom clouds".

    We did not know for certain that there were no weapons of mass destruction of any kind in Iraq. We did know that any that existed were all 1980's vintage (VX has a half life expressed in months, not years). We did know that they did not have a nuclear program.

    We also knew that they had no navy and no air force, and that their army was half the size it was in 1990.

    By the time the UN weapons inspectors had been in the county for months in March of 2003, it was becoming increasingly apparant that there were no WMD's to be found, which is what turned out to be the case.

    Still, Bush and Cheney short circuited the process and chased the inspectors out so they could start their war before it became much more blatantly apparant that their "case" for war was a fraud.
     
  7. Yosh Shmenge

    Yosh Shmenge New Member

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    Yes. I did because it isn't relevant. N. Korea has a history of acting in bad faith
    when extracting concessions from the West in exchange for not developing nuclear arms which has never happened to any degree that anyone (like the IAEA) can verify with any certainty and it still goes on unabated http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/iaea-unable-determine-if-fourth-n-korea-nuke-test-works-amano/

    Look at the time line again: http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/29/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-timeline---fast-facts/
    Your claim that N Korea suspended their nuclear weapons program cannot be verified by anyone (certainly not you) and rests entirely on the say so of real life madman, Kim Jong Il and now his equally irrational son. That's some great character references you are basing your case on there.
    That's failure to convince or document.
     
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    Well, at least when you play games with the facts, you admit it this time!
     
  9. Yosh Shmenge

    Yosh Shmenge New Member

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    Your charge that N Korea
    acted honorably and in a trustworthy manner when claiming they were abandoning their drive for nuclear weapons remains a hilarious partisan rant completely unsupported by facts or results.

    You've done well to back down.
     

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