Republicans, at some point, you are going to wake up.....

Yeah, anybody tgat disagrees with you just isn't "woke" yet.

Get over yourself.

 

I suppose if your definition of "the qualities of Christ, helping the poor, loving they neighbor, compassion towards human beings" revolves around implementing government-run healthcare, that would make sense. My definitions of those phrases have very little, if anything, to do with government-run healthcare.

 

First off, when I go to my clinic, my clinic is a private clinic that has privately insured customers along with medicare customers, and my HMO is actually a private outfit but administered via medicare. The clinic is private and my doctor does NOT work for the government, and that is the case with the vast majority of doctors in the US, therefore, 'medicare' is just a means of funding, replacing private insurance. Medicare strikes a bargain with doctors on prices, but doctors are not forced to accept medicare, so like any other supply and demand transaction in this world, it's a mutually acceptable transaction, fulfilling all of the benefits of free enterprize, and your implication of 'government run' is grossly misleading and dishonest.

Now then, helping people can include a host of things beyond just health care, but health care is one of the most important things that people need.
Feel free to enlighten us.

 

Alright, I will refile that remark in the assumptive thinking file

 

Hello, is anyone there? Are you going to concede that that line in the tweet that you flaunted in the OP is a lie?

 

No....
You refused demonstrate how or why a rational reasoned person would reach the conclusion you do.
Because you know cannot.

 

Government control of an industry isn't (usually) like a light switch, with just an "On" and an "Off" position. It's more like a dial. And Obamacare turned up the dial of government control on the healthcare industry, significantly.

 

I never mentioned that agency. I think privatization of NASA except for defense launches WITHIN THE U.S., NOT EUROPE. I want U.S.-built space shuttles, not Russian. I want costs slashed. That means NASA is reduced until you can drown it in a bathtub.

 

For the better, 18 million people who didn't have access to affordable care now do. It's not perfect, but it's an improvement. Junk insurance was eliminated, as well. Preexisting conditions can no longer be used against you. These are improvements.

If the right has better idea, we've been waiting almost 4 years now. and nada from y'all.

 

That's a disingenuous question. It's like when he mocked the handicapped reporter.

Some say he didn't, but to a reasonable person, it was obvious he did. There is no way to 'demonstrate' taht he did, either you are smart enough to see the obvious or you are such a partisan hack your head is in the sand in denial.

Either you can see it, or your are ****ing blind.

Same kind of thing.

You can't explain something to someone whose head is in the sand.

He wasn't joking. Accept it. End of conversation.

 

Trump has used those same gestures when referring to non-handicapped people.

 

Obamacare is a joke. It was attempting to take away healthcare for many more millions of people.

 

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. FTR I think he is phony also, but all politicians share in that. He is at least trying to support Christians though, the same way Obama pandered to Muslims.

I also have to question the political motives of the clergy person who has a problem with Trump bringing attention to a church that was nearly burned down by rioters. Seems her bias is showing. Most clergy would be honored that a president was bringing attention to the senseless burning of their facilities. It's almost like she doesn't want solidarity...

 

Almost half or better of nearly all christian denominations (excluding blacks) support Trump - evangelical, protestant, and catholic. I would bet that political affiliation and temperature has more to do with it than his pandering to any specific subset. Basically the GOP just has a lot of white Christians. And every demographic you can name is "full of themselves" and easily manipulated when someone plays to their predetermined biases, that has nothing to do with being evangelical.

Obama pandered to Christian, Muslim, and atheist alike. His mother was atheist, his father was Muslim, and his grand parents who practically raised him were Christian, who the hell knows what he really is. The fact that you buy into his BS is very telling, almost like you are easily conned...

 

I don't disagree with that really at all. I do think there is some confession as to how and why the protesters were cleared, but either way the timming of his photo was terrible.

 

He would only have to call my wife. She is a hard core conservative that has no problem with gay marriage. There are tens of thousands of bake shops that would handle it. One does not equal a whole.

I criticize the right often but, of course, my opinions don't matter to anyone. If you were to watch Fox you would hear a republican politician criticizing what some conservatives do every day. Your example wasn't a politician but rather an entertainer.

Hannity is a pure partisan. I don't care for him either. As a non-partisan I am not fond of partisanship, even yours.

 

Because despite what you and others think, many Americans who support President Donald Trump know exactly what he is and have for decades.

Why do you and others insist on believing that Trump supporters have "been conned"? Of course I know that answer. You simply can not understand why millions of Americans have supported and continue to support Donald Trump.

 

Sounds fine except for the fact that universal health care will cost as much as the entire federal budget thereby doubling it. I guess if we can spend Trillions on social spending for things caused by the government like closing businesses perhaps a few more trillion won't matter, at least until our dollar becomes relatively worthless.

 

Indeed it won't. Health care dollars are already being spent, everyone needs health care, and they wind up getting either via preventative visits to clinics, or at the time of a catastrophy in the emergency room for the lack of health care, which ultimately costs society more.

Health care dollars are already being spent, and all medicare for all does is redirect the flow of dollars already being spent into a more cost efficient system, owing to the cost of the insurance layer being removed, resulting in a net savings to society, overall.

The opposite is true, and evidence this is for the fact that in the 50 western developed nations that have some variant of universal health care the per capita costs of health care is roughly one half of the cost it is in America.

Now, I'm not suggesting that the cost would be cut in half, as Americans are not as stingy with their health care dollars as the Europeans and Netherlands, but the fact that it is not more expensive in those countries, to the tune of 50% less leaves a lot of headroom such that your contention is not even remotely true given the evidence.

The right loves to point to the study by the Cato institute, a decidely right wing organization (well, okay, ' libertarian', which is embraced by conservatives of today) their study ommits the salient reality I described, they look at UHC as an 'add on cost', but, if it is to replace the existing system, it is not an add on cost, it is an replacement cost, so their study is eminently flawed, but that is not the only study, there are scores of them, and in the chance you might be right, I haven't even perused these studies, so let's both go down the list and view their results.

https://www.healthcare-now.org/single-payer-studies/listing-of-single-payer-studies/

So I was right, the second study on the list studies the economic impact of 'medicare for all' which is the progressive solution, and their conclusion thus:

As of 2017, U.S. Health Consumption Expenditures are equal to 17.2 percent of GDP. The comparable ratio for eight other large industrial economies ranges between 8.9 percent of GDP for Italy and 11.3 percent of GDP for Germany. In addition, health care spending as a share of the U.S. economy has risen dramatically over time. In 1970, U.S. Health Consumption Expenditures equaled 6.2 percent of GDP. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) projects that the ratio will reach 18.8 percent by 2026.

Following from our estimates, Health Consumption Expenditures would fall to 15.8 percent of GDP under Medicare for All, as of the 2017 economy. This would represent a dramatic decline in health care spending as a share of GDP for the U.S., but would still be substantially higher than the figures for all other large advanced economies. We conclude that further incremental improvements in service delivery under Medicare for All should enable U.S. health care costs to stabilize at around 15.8 percent of GDP, even after taking account of the rising cost pressures resulting from an aging population.

 

Right. Slam first with false asumptions, then build an airhole case.

Democrat. My point exactly. Now you prove Congress was not a strong majority Democrat.

Bipartisan is such a lovely word for deeply slanted majority. I wish Trump had one.

(..skipping ahead...)

Yes of course I am, and it does, and I already have. Gretchen Democrat Whitmer has not helped one iota on its resale value by destroying the recreation industry my state and local area depends on.

Answering your last three points. Democrats got us into this. They extended the Depression economic recovery and got us into WWII to get our economy straight again. And then they preach peace.

 

History is replete with examples of a large swath of a given population duped by a demagogic leader.
His flock loves him because he talks like so many of them who say dumb things and often do; crap like "Obama was born in Kenya' or "Hillary sold 1/4th the entire American uranium inventory to Russia" or "Hillary is running a lesbian sex traffic ring in a pizza parlor" and Trump says dumb things just like they do, like dumbass idiots mouthing off at the wind do, they love him because he trolls the left incessantly just as they do, and that is why they love him, because for all of the dopes that live in America, no doubt more per square mile than any developed western nation, in Trump they have their found their champion.

Wonderful.

 

I can hardly think of a more damning thing to say about Trump supporters.

 

So can we conclude that you find it utterly impossible to believe that a large number of Trump supporters are intelligent, well educated, and well informed.

Bias noted.

 

Yes. That doesn't mean there are no supporters that fit your description. But to do so, assuming they are well informed, it would mean choosing to ignore (for reasons beyond understanding) the unequivocal science proving man made climate change. Not caring about inveterate lying, immoral behavior, hiring unqualified staff, policy ignorance, corruption, etc.

OTOH, if you believe yourself to be informed, but instead are misinformed, that would explain your perspective.

 

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