Republicans should oppose Trump's power grab!!!!

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  1. Xenamnes

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    There are only two available options that have any actual chance of working effectively.

    The first is to stop releasing repeat offenders back into society, when they have demonstrated the simple fact that they have no interest in abiding by the rules of society.

    The second is to simply acknowledge that there is absolutely nothing that can be done to prevent prohibited individuals from gaining access to firearms, and simply stop trying preventative measures that have proven futile.
     
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    We already have the highest detention rate in the entire world.

    This idea that more jails are going to make us safe has been and continues to be the most tested approach we have EVER tried. NO other approach is more tested.

    And, it definitely fails.

    Your other idea has not been implemented, though we have a start.

    Given the number of stolen guns used in crime it's perfectly logical to work on that problem. Besides, that's something that could be beneficial to anyone who owns a gun!
     
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    Asylum is an international issue that we have promoted.

    It's legitimate for people to come here by any means possible if they have legitimate reason under asylum law.

    The drug cartels and dictatorships of Central and South America are driving many to flee for their lives.

    The idea that they should wait like sitting ducks in border towns while we just plain ignore them is NOT a solution.
     
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    Simply seeking a better life is not legitimate grounds for seeking asylum.
     
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    How many murders must one commit when released, to demonstrate that they simply cannot be trusted to be released time and time again? Is there a specific round number that can be cited?
     
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    This doesn't address my point in any way.

    Sorry.
     
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    Except it goes to address the matter of how the majority of firearm-related incidents are committed by those who already possess disqualifying criminal records for felony conviction. The number of individuals who have been incarcerated for murder, only to be released back into society where they do murder again, is significant enough that it needs to be addressed as a part of the underlying problem.
     
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    That is a doubtful assertion. If it were true, I would expect the trend lines below to be going in the opposite direction.

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    You're trying to find some infrequent problem and propose that it characterizes crime in America.

    That's just not the case.
     
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    Hilarious!!!

    You aren't even bothering to identify a correlation before you jump to a conclusion about causation!!
     
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    I know what both are. It's clear you don't.

    Perhaps you should look up the definition of big fancy sounding words like "empirical evidence" before using them.

    LOL

    Too funny.

    BTW:

    Empirical evidence is the information received by means of the senses, particularly by observation and documentation of patterns and behavior through experimentation.[1] The term comes from the Greek word for experience, ἐμπειρία (empeiría). ​
     
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    Right. We’ve established you don’t know what empirical evidence is


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/21456-empirical-evidence-a-definition.html
     
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    Um.... I certainly provided more data than you did. Show the data backing your assertion. As a reminder, your assertion is that putting people in jails is not effective in reducing crime. A claim that as far as I know has as much credibility and data backing it as the claim that gender is fluid.
     
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    Data gathered by branches of our government, Pew Research, and the many other research organizations IS the empirical data we have.

    Those data do NOT support the ludicrous claims made by Trump concerning our border with Mexico in terms of national security, drug traffic, crime (generally in the US or in any border location), immigration history, impact on America, connections between negative traits and ethnicity, the reasons immigrants have for coming here (asylum, jobs), his abduction of children, the unavailability of asylum courts, etc.
     
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    So you didn’t read the link. Lol
     
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    I'll take data from DHS/ICE/CBP, annual reports, etc.. Such data is extensive, and can be analyzed over long periods of time. Their data supports the President's claims and his call for a National Emergency to address the crisis your media ministries have been reporting on for years.

    I wouldn't give Pew a milliseconds thought. A worthless, biased and agenda driven Progressive operation is nothing anyone should ever consider.
     
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    Another lame accusation.

    Of course I read the link.

    Here is the first sentence from it...

    "Empirical evidence is information acquired by observation or experimentation."
     
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    So you stopped reading after the first sentence. Lol
     
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    I don't know anyone who claims "gender is fluid". Do you?

    Have you even bothered to actually look at the data???

    Our detention rate is a higher percent of our population, yet NO European country has a murder rate as high as ours. In fact, many countries in the middle east, southeast Asia and Africa have lower murder rates.


    Yet, all I'm saying is that we have serious work to do that is highly unlikely to have to do with locking people up for longer periods of time - we do that already!
     
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    No.

    But I'm going to stop reading after this...
     
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    All the data from those agencies shows immigration st 20 year low, illegal crossing at 20 year low. Drugs crossing at legal ports of entry, not illegal crossing etc. that’s the empirical evidence we are talking about.
     
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    I accept your concession.
     
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    No, federal data absolutely does NOT support Trump in ANY of the dimensions I stated.
     
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    How much have border apprehensions increased this fiscal year? How much did they increase last year?

    What is the current "gotaway" rate reported by CBP? What was last years "gotaway" rate reported by CBP? What was the target rates for both years?

    What sector of the border is responsible for the largest number of apprehensions?
     
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