robert reich is floating "liz cheney " for president

Ninety percent of the idiotic GOP congresscritters support the idiotic war in Ukraine...The congresscritters from my home state who do support the war in Ukraine won't get my vote next time.

On the contrary, a huge majority of GOP members (not in congress) don't support the war in Ukraine.

 

Come on. George W. is a poser conservative.

 

Realize that dems (and neocons) will go just as hard against De Santis if he wins the GOP primary for president...Dems and neocons are authoritarian and can't stand anyone who's remotely conservative...Yes, I said it, Trump is remotely conservative. Well, newsflash: dems and neocons don't want an even remotely conservative president for the GOP in 2024.

 

So have a political party that represents 33% of voters so the democrats can destroy our freedoms?

Do you read these posts? The idea is to attract voters not turn them away hello?

 

Most of the republican party is neocon are you unable to understand that? They are the same idiots who supported every dumb war.

 

Independent? Cheney's views are solid conservative, so there is no chance of her changing parties, unless there is a new conservative party. The only reason Republicans hate her is because she didn't kiss Trump's feet like all others, including yourself.

 

Well you're wrong on that supposition, but it's years too late to explain why.

 

You seem to be the kinda guy who might say as Rod King once said, "Why can't we just get along?"

Let me be clearer to you and use this analogy: Asking progressives and neoconservatives to get along with everyone else is like asking a carnivore to become an herbivore.
Progressives and neocons can't get along 'cause it's too much in their natures as authoritarians to demand their way or the highway.

Now, progressives hate Trump cause:
(1) Trump is a nationalist
(2) Trump likes capitalism
(3) Progressives are authoritarian and if an authoritarian doesn't get their way, they rebel and authoritarians hate people who act conservatively (like Trump).
Now, neocons hate Trump cause:
(1) Trump interferes with free market capitalism.
(2) Trump was unfaithful to Melania.
(3) Trump spends too much on the gov't.
(4) Neocons are authoritarian (essentially the same point as (3) for progressives).

In both cases, the troublemakers are progressives and neocons 'cause they demand their way...They don't compromise. That isn't how American gov't works or even survives.
See, what you don't realize is neocons and progressives are the problem not Trump, for example.

Do you kinda get it now??

 

Most of the GOP voted for Trump in 2016. Even now, that affiliation and loyally for Trump among non-congresscritter voters of the GOP hasn't changed. The Senate passed gun legislation after Uvalde and Ukranian war aid, for examples, not because of Trump's influence (Trump recommends the opposite) but because of McConnell's influence, for example.

I infer from the latest popularity polling numbers for Biden, that neocons comprise 9 percent of the non-congresscritter GOP 'cause the poll produced a relatively low percentage who thought the country was headed in the right direction under Biden's leadership but an additional 9 percent in the poll thought Biden was doing a great job as president (well, Biden was doing a great job 'cause Biden wasn't Trump and Biden was the non-Trump or equity presidential candidate)...I infer that extra 9 percent in that poll represent the attitudes of neocons...Note: That poll was asked of non-congresscritters. In other words, the old guard which is comprised of many neocons are still, unfortunately, in congress and not representing members of the GOP nationwide.

Your statement that most of the GOP are currently neocons is flat out wrong.
That statement that most of the GOP are neocons may have been true under G.W. Bush, during the primary presidential runs of Romney or McCain or under the leadership of the neocon McConnell.

See, Trump changed the makeup of the GOP when Trump became president and neocons in the GOP hate that 'cause neocons need to have their way all the time.

 

THAT “STRANGE NEW RESPECT” DIDN’T LAST LONG, DID IT?



Robert Of The Reich can have her.

 

The neocons have not gone anywhere. They just took a break because Trump was not one. I guarantee you had Trump wanted war with Iran he would have party support. You would have supported him. All the evangelicals will support any war with a Muslim country.

Despite that let's for a second use your 9% number. So push out 9% of the party? And also anybody you claim to be a RINO? This is a political party! The idea is to win elections!

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/would-you-consider-supporting-liz-cheney.600555/

 

I'm fairly certain you call for unity among Americans in American gov't. Well, progressives and neocons aren't for unity among Americans in American gov't. Progressives and neocons are for getting their own way and using Americans as pawns, if necessary, to satisfy these narcissistic desires. Progressives and neocons will lie about political opponents, say they're for democracy when there's no way they're for democracy (actually, they're for the opposite of democracy), condemn political violence if that violence doesn't satisfy their political ambitions while at the same time advocating for political violence which satisfies their political goals, use American federal institutions, for example, to punish Americans who disagree with progressives and neocons, etc...

Progressives and neocons are fascists and have no business being in American gov't and are destroying American gov't. I can't make it any plainer to you. Here's an analogy for you: If you had a cancer, you'd want to cut it out for the sake of the body before the cancer metastasizes to other parts of the body...The cancer being neocons and progressives and the body being American gov't.

Yes, neocons haven't gone anywhere. They're still in relatively high positions of power in American gov't...There are still many fossil congresscritter neocons in positions of power in American gov't. Problem is, neocons don't represent the GOP anymore and neocons don't care that neocons don't represent the GOP anymore because neocons think their authoritarian message is so vital...I mean, that's exactly how a fascist thinks.

 

I'm also fairly certain you aren't a part of today's GOP 'cause today's GOP (the electorate not the neocon congresscritters) doesn't condemn Islam for, for example, for being anti-Christian, the electorate of the GOP condemns certain parts of Islam for being fomenters of violence around the world whether it be Shia or Sunni Islam violence. Today's electorate in the GOP backs Israel in the Middle East not only 'cause Israel has a right to exist but also 'cause Israel is a buffer against Shia and Sunni violence in the Middle East. IMO, you need to buy a little less into the rhetoric of fascist neocon congresscritters and more into the electorate of the GOP.

 

Cabse your entire attitude is wrong. You are looking for ways to divide and keep people out of the republican party at a time when democrats are cannibalizing themselves with wacked out extreme views. The opportunity is ripe to attract moderate democrats and independents and you are obsessed with who belongs are not.

Pay attention, Bill Maher who will never be a so called real republican is saying the democrats are way too extreme.



Watch Jimmy Dore a real liberal who hates the democrat party but he's not conservative enough so he can go to hell!

 

Yes, he changed it and its far more authoritarian than it has ever been.

There has been only one person in US history who outright rejected democracy and resorted to political violence to overturn democratic elections. You know who that person was

 

Maher (and Joe Rogan) are left libertarians. They're conservatives (non-authoritarians) who hate capitalism...Being a left libertarian, IMO, is an oxymoron 'cause one is for democracy unless it pertains to the economy....Maher and Rogan are communists in the weeds.

Maher and Rogan, for example, don't hate Trump for Trump's conservative tendencies but hate Trump's love of capitalism and nationalism, for example.

People like Perino like Maher 'cause Maher is conservative.
Progressives are authoritarian and hate conservatives like Maher...Which is why Maher hates progressives,,,because progressives are the opposite of conservative (are the opposite of him).

 

Yeah, well, you don't know what authoritarian means. Or have you decided to attach your alternative definition for authoritarian like you've attached your alternative definition for conservative?

Maybe you advocate for neo-authoritarianism as much as you advocate for neo-conservativism?

 

Maher is no damn conservative. He also does not hate progressives. He is a card carrying life long democrat.

You have no insights at all.

Maher's point was simple. The party has gone off the rails.

 

Tucker Carlson used to be a card carrying Democrat. With Carlson's (and Maher's case) they're dismayed in the dem party's giddiness in taking away rights from the people.
Maher is still a dem because Maher hates captialism, for example.

 

Guess you've stopped being open minded.

 

Its not me who is into alternative definitions. You make a hobby out of alternative definitions. Trump WAS authoritarian.

According to his own words is just fine with capitalism, although he prefers "capitalism-plus"

 

Sometimes I have to resort to replying to a post even though I know it won't change the other poster's mind since the other poster is 'close-minded', at least.

Pro Line, I don't know where you got that quote? from Maher I bolded but the quote from Maher is a lie or, at least, is a political statement.

If you go to the 3:38 timepoint into the YouTube of one of Maher's shows, you'll find Maher lamenting the direction of the party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Johm Fitzgerald Kennedy. Now, Maher wouldn't use the names FDR and JFK unless he revered them. Was FDR just fine with capitalism or preferred capitalism-plus??Duh, NO. FDR was very close to communist.
Maher very much hates capitalism even though he's trying to be political (again, I don't know where you got the statement from Maher that he didn't mind capitalism or preferred capitalism-plus) because Maher revers FDR who hated capitalism.



Why don't you watch the YouTube of Maher. It is the video of a left libertarian.

 

I got it from his show where he expressed support for "Capitalism Plus". He specifically said he would NOT replace capitalism with anything else.

 

I'd like to encourage him to put 99% of his wealth behind the plan.