Ron Paul may run Third party/anouncement tuesday 11/4/12

I understand the argument of Libertarians. I am a fan of Gary Johnson. He is a true American success story and he is not intrusive from a religious perspective. In an ideal world, I would vote for him. In this world, I will be voting for Mitt Romney. Talk to people on death row. Most will ask their lawyer for an appeal. The Gary Johnson and Ron Paul supporters look death straight in the eye and say bring it on and destroy my country. I'm 43, but I know of a number of old-timers that I would like to see get another 15-20 years of enjoyment out of life so I have sacrificed and went back to work as a courtesy to the American citizens in the USA. If Obama is elected, I will be moving to Key West to spend the rest of my days in a drunken haze.

 

We know why you say you ignore us while not ignoring us. It because you're brainwashed. It doesn't matter how many times your parties fail to deliver the promises they proclaim so loudly every election cycle, you continue to believe them. It's not that they try and fail, the legislation they actually write and vote for, the executive orders, none of it looks anything like the rhetoric. In the end, the only good thing you can honestly say about the candidates you back is that the are electable, and the only reason that's true is because... well, you're brainwashed.

 

Ron Paul supporters aren't telling you who to vote for, so why tell us?

We're not going to vote for Romney. That throws the election for Obama? Too bad. Nominate a real conservative next time.

Until then you can keep losing elections and the whole economy can crumble to the ground. Or you can narrowly win (we'll see) and then watch another "Republican" sell you down the river, cement in Obamacare, pass amnesty, start another war, and everything else i'm expecting out of the checkpants Republican establishment which is why I refuse to vote for him.

 

This from a worshiper of Paul. A career lying politician that has delivered NOTHING in 3 decades. A man that quickly changes parties to pacify his ego. A man that has not been able to get a meaningful bill passed in his entire wasted career. But a man that has sponsored many more bills than the average lying politician. A man that is tied for last in sponsored bills passed, 0, with all other complete failures that have ever served in Congress.

And you call me brainwashed. I'm not even a Republican, and I do have a brain that could be washed. A brain that matured out of the naive stage 50 years ago.

And you might want to brush on your reading skills or lack thereof. I didn't say I ignored you. I said that both the Republican and Democratic Parties ignore Paulobots. Mostly because you're all misinformed naive children.

 

Oh, I know why they ignore me. I'm not a sheep, dependent on the beneficence of those with political power for protection, looking to be told what to think, eat, say, do, and protection from harming myself.

I also know that when someone like Ron Paul comes along, the sheep become very uncomfortable, because he questions power in a way that frightens them.

 

No way !!! ............this time it will be different.

 

And every RP/Gary Johnson supporter needs to remember who it is in these threads, and in the political world that attacks them over and over. The Republican establishment, and its supporters!

 

I hope that he runs. It'll prove that the silly old fool is bat crap crazy.

 

There's absolutely some truth to that, but you really can't blame Paul. He's lost the Republican nomination twice. On top of that, it seems clear he feels more allegiance to his own beliefs than his party's, assuming that is still his party.

 

In that case, that banned NZ poster would vote for him just for the spectacle of it all.

ps. (he is surrounded by hostiles over at PF2, so I visits hims once in whiles).

 

I would bet a bundle that after getting their asses handed to them in November, the GOPers will squeal like pigs about media bias then nominate Jeb Bush in 2016...Any takers?

 

Scary.

...Yet probably right on the mark.

 

that's just not true

 

Not attacking. Laughing at the naivete and stupidity. I completely understand the desperation of the barely developed mind. Just laughing at its lack of understanding.

And you did not approach an answer to the Romney/Johnson questioon. The 2 clones in this election would be b.o./Paul, Both empty talkers, promising much, delivering NOTHING. In b.o.'s case, LESS than nothing.

And Romney/Johnson. Both successful business men. Both successful Governors. Both promise to cut spending. Both promise to shrink govt.

The difference is that Romney is much more successful, and has an EXCELLENT chance to be elected. Johnson has NONE AT ALL. That's not anything against Johnson, he just doesn't have any support except mindless Paulobots, isolationists, and the lunatic fringe.

 

Do me a favor.

Put everything Romney or Obama promises in one hand, and crap in the other.

Which one got full first?

 

Paulobots. Naive children. Sometimes they go out of their way to prove that. Thanx.

Since you find TRUTH so repulsive, maybe YOU should re-access your beliefs.

 

You mean when I prove with logic that you are insane if you believe Romney or Obama, when they have taken 100's of millions of dollars from people whose interests aren't aligned with the average Americans?

Yeah, sure shill!

 

LOL .. like Romney's latest budget plan ? Reduce taxes by 400 Billion a year and increase military spending by 200 Billion .. But it wont cost american taxpayers a thing !!

Of course both Ryan and Mitt refuse to say where they are going to get the money from .. but hey .. let's just trust them .. after all they are from the "fiscal conservative party .. what is the worst that can happen.

http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.jpg

 

Now do your chart with Democrat controlled Congresses, since it is Congress that spends the money. And the last line on your chart is for a Democrat controlled Congress with a budget signed by obama.

And kindly post a link to where Romney said he would REDUCE TAXES by $400 billion per year. Romney's plan is to INCREASE federal revenue by eliminating deductions and loopholes and tax code giveaways.

It is the incompetent idiot obama that wants to raise taxes that will not bring in ANY more federal revenue, but will HURT the middle class and the poor.

 

Give it up. The Buck stops with the President .. either he signs spending bills or veto's them.
Bush did not veto one spending bill in his last year. 90% of the spending for fiscal 2009 was approved by Bush.

The components of the 2009 deficit (Oct 08 - Oct 09) were:

1) Projected deficit of 400 Billion (3.1 Trillion in spending on expected revenue of 2.7 Trillion)
2) TARP 350- 400 Billion
3) Due to the Bush Crash .. revenue came in at 2.1 Trillion (600 Billion shortfall)

Add up the numbers .. 1.4 Trillion deficit and 12.9 Trillion in debt was in the bag prior to Obama taking office.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_United_States_federal_budget

 

Hardball - Romney is proposing 4 Trillion in Tax cuts over 10 years and 2 Trillion increase in military spending.

This link states 5 Trillion in tax cuts. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/mitt-romney-tax-plan-worries-conservatives.php
Increased defense spending 2 Trillion http://www.policymic.com/articles/1...f-that-romney-and-ryan-are-full-of-flip-flops

The guy is loopy and niether will give any specific details on how he is going to:

1) spend more on Military (200 billion/year)
2) reduce income through tax cuts (400 Billion a year)

.. and at the same time reduce the deficit.

If you believe this then I have some cheap tickets for sale that will take you to the pot of Gold at the end of the rainbow.

 

You link to 2 very biased left wing sites. In the first they MISSTATE spending cuts for tax cuts. Romney does not advocate any reduction in federal revenue. He proposes that everyone PAY a reduced tax rate AFTER eliminating deductions and loopholes. He NEVER has said cut taxes by $400 billion or even $1.00. What Democrats don't like about Romney's plan is that it calls for ALL American income earners to actually pay in to the federal revenue. Right now 51% of INCOME EARNERS pay NO income tax and 26,000,000 take out $59,000,000,000.00 in EITC. Simply eliminating EITC would result in more federal money than b.o.'s stupid plan of taxing the rich.

You second link does not state anything about reducing taxes by $400 billion. The most significant thing in that link is that Romney would not cut Defense $1 trillion like b.o. intends to do. [but won't]

If you wish to believe leftist nonsense, your choice

 

The first link gives you a number stated by Romney of 5 Trillion in tax cuts ( = 500 Billion per year for 10 years)
The second link gives you the military spending number of 2 Trillion.

At the very least you should check this out rather than dismissing the source. I agree that Chris Matthews is left wing but that does not mean he just makes stuff up .. expecially stuff that is so easily proven a lie. Romney was quoted from Meet the Press on Sunday.

Give your head a shake dude.

Here is the quote from my link which gives the source .. Romney from Meet the Press.

What part of "5 Trillion in tax cuts" do you not undersand ??? What a Joke.

 

What part of ROMNEY saying $5 trillion in tax cuts do you not understand. Show me where Romney said that. NOT where a leftist liberal site claimes he said that. Because what he has said is $5 trillion in SPENDING CUTS. NOT tax cuts. Romney tax plan is essentially the same as obama's Simpson-Bowles commission recommended to obama. REDO the tax code and reduce the rates for everyone, But EVERYONE PAYS. Thereby INCREASING tax revenue. But the liberal media constantly LIES and says Romney wants to CUT taxes for millionaires. That is a LIE.

Show me where ROMNEY said $5 trillion in tax cuts or $1 dollar in tax cuts. IT DOES NOT EXIST, except on lying liberal sites.

From Romney's website:
Mitt's Plan

Reducing and stabilizing federal spending is essential, but breathing life into the present anemic recovery will also require fixing the nation’s tax code to focus on jobs and growth. To repair the nation’s tax code, marginal rates must be brought down to stimulate entrepreneurship, job creation, and investment, while still raising the revenue needed to fund a smaller, smarter, simpler government. The principle of fairness must be preserved in federal tax and spending policy.

 

Obama on Romney's plan

"You add $5 trillion of new tax cuts, $2 trillion in new defense spending, and somehow you’re going to close the deficit without raising taxes on middle-class families?".

http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/09/11/romney-obama-trade-putdowns

Romney and Ryan have lost their minds.