Rotten Tomatoes Will Block Anyone Who Tries to "Sabotage" Black Panther Fan Score

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  1. zbr6

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    Maybe read this after you've seen it, not spoilers but still.

    What you'll see is that the main character and supporting pieces are circumstantially elevated.

    Basically: They're "gods" because the setting told you so not because the story created them as such.

    And its the setting that strongly stands out as a joke.

    The remake suffers from the same character development flaws that plague other identity based movies, aka, the character cant have flaws - they have to be 100% perfect at all times, aka, Rey syndrome.
     
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    Also, I'd like to point out that the true hero of Black Panther is the guy with a bowl in his mouth. I heard that during smoke breaks, the cast used the actor as an ash tray because they couldn't find one anywhere else. You just don't see this kind of dedication to one's craft such as that anymore.
     
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    The movie should be banned. It's named after a racist organization..........the black panthers.
    Where's the outrage from the dems?
     
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    Setting multiple Box Office RECORDS.

    Nobody Cares what a bunch of Butthurt RWs think.

    The Butthurt RW? Crying over a Movie? :roflol:
     
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    I don't know if this is sarcasm or not but I do know I'm struggling to figure out a word to describe how many kinds of wrong you are.
     
  6. Stuart Wolfe

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    So what?

    Who cares?

    :roflol:
     
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    Sad that you won't get woke.....
     
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    The movie was terrible.

    Guardians of the galaxy 2 was better, and it was pretty bad.
     
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    Weeee-e-eeeelll, it's not quite that bad. It's why T'Chaka was interesting;
    he's shown to be a bit of a dick when he kills his brother and abandons his nephew. The great father of T'Challa has flaws. But T'Challa - not so many. Tony Stark? He's an arrogant prick. Thor has to dial down his hubris. But T'Challa? *shrugs*

    And in order to do the same to T'Challa, they have to
    weaken him in the fight with Killmonger - although even so, he still survives a fall off a huge-@$$ waterfall that really OUGHT to have killed him with no real explanation as to how he lived.

    The film does sorta suffer from the same thing that ruined the Angelina Jolie Tomb Raider movies - they weren't enjoyable because you never got the feeling that Jolie was in any danger. Meanwhile over in Spider-Man II, he's dropped in front of an ongoing train and you've got no idea how he's going to stop it.

    It's funny - you know why Marvel became such a big hit back in the 60's? It's because Stan created heroes that were genuine dicks. Reed Richards wants to fly to the moon, his friend Grimm says no way, that rocket is a death trap. They fly up, get hit by cosmic rays, and what happens when they crash land? The three other guys get powers and become celebrities. Ben, the one guy who was right all along gets turned into an orange dinosaur-hide monster - and it's all the fault of the smart guy, his best friend. Or Bruce Banner, the smart guy who creates the Gamma Bomb, the radiation which will stop the Cold War and usher in the Dawn of the Science Age - and what's the result? A big grey brute with the intellect of a six-year old. Or Spider-Man. Gets powers and what does he do with them? He doesn't fight crime - he becomes a professional wrestler and cashes in on his powers. If you really look at all the super-heroes marvel started out with in the 60's, they were all jerks. They all had flaws. And what's T'Challa's? What's Wakanda's, the utopia of perfection that will save us all? Ultimately, that's what keeps the movie from being a great movie. I mean it's good - but far from great.

    I liked GotG 2!
     
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    I had the advantage of missing the pre-release hype. The scenery and costumes were captivating but the space ships and some of the special effects were trite. It's hard to find a movie with a refreshing new storyline and special effects that are not reminiscent of other movies. I liked the king and the feisty princess. Overall, I'd give the movie an 8.

     
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    You know they just lie and say that so you'll thinking you're missing out by not going.

    Just like how they're going to lie about the worldwide gross because half of the revenue from these Marvel movies comes from Asia and guess what ... Asia doesn't watch Black movies, its just a fact.
     
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    Not to mention that it was almost mandatory if you were black to attend the movie this weekend.........12% of the population runs out of time and money pretty soon........
     
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    Yeah, I'm gonna listen to some white guy who's not seen the movie, that's TOTALLY who I should trust for an opinion......
     
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    Why was it terrible?
     
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    Wow I missed the email because I haven't seen it yet. If you don't want to see it don't go, I know you really hated 1964 and 68.
     
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    I'm white and I saw it on Saturday. Could you give us YOUR review on why its a top tier Marvel movie, because if you're actually objective there is literally no way to come to that conclusion. I went back and skimmed through Civil War last night, since BP takes place right afterwards and guess what. The action scenes were SO MUCH BETTER and more fun in Civil War. The car chase from BP wasn't as even good as the one in Civil War or even Winter Soldier. All the fantastical visuals of futuristic cities were no better than any of the Guardians movies or Thor. There was NOTHING groundbreaking in this film, besides the mostly black subject matter. Tchalla doesn't have the flaws that make him anything close to a Stark, Parker or Wayne. Its really not even debatable. Of course, my opinion, but I've spoken to others right afterwards and this morning and I personally haven't heard anyone who thinks its the best at all. No one left the theater cheering. Some clapping, but not like Force Awakens level hooting and hollering or even the Solo trailer on the head. There were quite a few people in African garb though. Amusing. Couldn't tell if it was Cosplay or just basic African clothing.

    And the "white boy" line still makes me wonder how it would have come off if ANY white character said anything close to it, with 1 word reversed. But I smiled, although none of us should. Its a horrible example of the double standard that should NOT exist. So all the white people were called colonizers. Ok, I get it. but shouldn't the white people call the Wakandans, Xenophobic, racists, because they were surely textbook definitions of it. There were multiple examples of characters looking down and feeling pity for all the stupid, backwards white people causing problems in the rest of the world. THAT's racism and one hell of a flaw with everyone living there. It's quite a whopper. Sadly the reviewers didn't go into THAT all too much, or simply forgave it. They just fawned over the black cast and strong women...like EW's big article this past week. If this movie gets nominated for anything other them a technical award, it would be the deathblow for the oscars having any semblance of legitimacy. Its already become a joke the past few years pandering to politics instead of MOVIES. This would be the final nail in the coffin for me truly not giving a **** anymore.
     
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    To be fair, Civil War was in a class of its own when that came out, though mainly because it was more like Avenger 2.5 and introduced us to newer characters and also was a bigger film that Black Panther, which was a solo film.

    The car chase here was fine IMO, but really the car chase in Civil War had the honor of Bucky grabbing a motorcycle and taking off in one fell swoop. The futuristic city in Wakanda looked fine, and it probably doesn't look any better than GOTG or Thor because those take place in other worlds and realms, as opposed to Wakanda on Earth. As far as character flaws, I'd say having to deal with the responsibility of being a new king and deciding what to do with country politics is one. Then again, Stark has a ton of flaws that pop up in almost every movie.

    "Best" is objective at this point because one, it's only February, and two we've still got Infinity War in 3 months. One of the best MCU movies to come out? Definitely IMO, would put it in the ranks of Spider-man, Civil War, Winter Soldier and Avengers 1.

    I didn't dress in African garb and the theater I went to, a lot of people didn't either. I just wore all black.

    I think that one was played as a joke, at least that's what I took from it.

    I'm going to see the movie again anyway but I don't remember anyone, at least the protagonists, saying whites were backwards and causing all the problems in the world. As for Wakandans being racist or xenophobic, I pictured them as isolating themselves the same way North Korea, New Zealand or island nations in the South Pacific isolate themselves, minus the cruel nuke-waving dictator and minefield on the border. No one bothers them and they in turn don't bother anyone else.

    Maybe because it wasn't xenophobic or racist and people just went into the theater looking for a reason to be mad? And why shouldn't they fawn over the cast, the cast is what makes the movie. If the cast is terrible and can't act then no one's gonna be invested in watching the movie. It does have some social commentary in there but it's not one that beats you over the head with it. Also, does no one else realize that Black Panther and everyone involved is a fictional character in a fictional world?
     
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    And the award for the dumbest bleeding heart Tweet of the year goes to...

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    Well, this gets to a point I mentioned earlier. It WASN'T a bigger film that CW and yet it was hyped to the moon as being such.

    But dealing with being a new king isn't a character flaw, that's being a victim of circumstance, if you can call becoming a monarch such. T'Chaka had character flaws; he made a few dumb mistakes and yet was also a good man at the same time. IMHO T'Chaka was a MUCH more interesting character than T'Challa - and when the main character is surpassed by a supporting one (and he wasn't the only one there) well something should have been done about that.

    The problem I'm having is that I found Ant-Man, for all the grief it gets sometimes, to be superior to BP. It had good action scenes and a fair amount of humor. It gets back to character flaws: Scott Lang is a guy who made some mistakes, ended up in prison, and paid for it. T'Challa? He's the King. No character flaws. So far as I can see, T'Challa made no mistakes at all in the movie. He's not really a relatable character at all. There IS a reason why Banner is relatable: He's basically a good person who made one bad mistake and is paying for it for the rest of his life. T'Challa - not so much.

    On the other hand, this kind of stuff has also been observed after people saw BP:
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    I could maybe accept a one-off. On the other hand, you take the line about the broken white boy, the colonizer, Ross being treated as comedy relief - heck, his getting threatened with dog barking by M'Baku to the point where he is clearly and comically scared - it's going beyond a joke and into some other territory. I'm not white and *I* was uncomfortable with the clear direction this film was taking.

    Here's another interesting take on it:
     
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    Certain Marvel movies are extremely hyped, BP is one of them. Infinity War is even more hyped.

    Eh, you may have a point in the flaw department there.

    And?

    A Facebook group called "Social Justice Warriors"........riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight........what about it?
     
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    I'm hoping you meant MARVEL movies and not the Captain Marvel one coming out starring Brie Larson. They are hyped but not to the point where you had Black activists buying out theaters for them, where you had whites being told when to go watch and suchlike, and the media fawning over it And heck, this isn't even the first Marvel movie with a Black lead; it's like everyone forgot Blade. And Infinity War has been ten years in the making and (supposedly) the finale to this part of the Marvel franchise, yeah I would expect THAT to be way over-hyped.

    Just showing you that while you may have been sane and normal,. there's a lot of folks - and I'm sure they weren't the only ones - who went over the top.

    You think MSNBC is gonna report on the wackiness of the left and/or their own pet causes? Look, somebody posted that, it's out there. Don't blame the messenger.
     
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    Me personally, I'm hyped for pretty much all comic book movies now, but hype gets multiplied when I see a trailer. Especially since Captain Marvel is not as well-known among general audience goers, like Captain America or the Hulk or the X-Men are. After GOTG and Ant-Man being successful, anything's on the table now.

    Nothing wrong with buying out theaters for people but who is out here telling whites when and when not to go?

    Truth. You had 3 Blade movies, Spawn, Steel, Hancock and Catwoman as other superhero movies with a black lead but about half of those I mentioned weren't good movies and I'm sure there's people who don't want to remember some of them, especially Catwoman. Also, I tend to remember millennials aren't that culturally aware of past movies, in fact a lot of people aren't. Hell, there's people today who think Star Wars and Star Trek are the same thing.

    Not only that, you also have tons of people who made BP the first comic book movie they've bothered to go see, completely ignoring the other bajillion that have come out. Bonus points if they've never even picked up a comic book in their lives (something I've noticed more and more of).

    Let them enjoy themselves.

    I certainly wouldn't waste a time slot reporting on one random Facebook group.
     
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    Y'know, DC took forever to put out a Wonder Woman movie, a character the whole world knows and it was only moderately good. Marvel is "Hey, we're gonna give you a talking raccoon and a sentient tree!" I just hope that since Disney bought Fox we can finally see a good Fantastic Four movie. Certainly not a repeat of that abortion with aluminum foil Dr. Doom. That one was so bad people illegally downloading it asked for their money back.

    Well, there's THIS lady - let's call her Captain WhiteGuilt. I've read others out there too saying similar.

    Maaaan - you just HAD to go and make me remember Catwoman. :angered:

    I'm not gonna stop them; I just think they're nuts!
     
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    Thankfully, that Wonder Woman movie was actually good since Warner Bros. and DC seem to have a serious problem with their movies now. Lynda Carter is probably the only Wonder Woman that a lot of other people remember.

    LOL sorry about that. But the good news is comic book movies have come a long way since then.
     
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