Russia on the brink of collapse

You reminded me one discussion between the Ukrainian writer and the Russian politician in time the Maidan (after the first collision of police with crowd when the crowd threw Molotov cocktails in police) the Ukrainian writer very strongly endured that occurs in Ukraine. He also worried about relationship of Ukraine with Russia. He loved both of them. He ask Russia to help the Ukrainian people. Also he spoke that Ukraine needs money and spoke that Russia lent to Ukraine of money (two billion) the Russian politician (Zhirinovsky, a little rough politician) answered, join Russia and we will help all of you. About money to whom to borrow money? You have in Ukraine a revolution. Who will be in power tomorrow? It isn't known. Can fascists! We will give them money, and tomorrow they to arm on our money and will go to us with war. The Ukrainian writer took offense a little, because the politician compared them to fascists. About that Ukraine joined Russia he answered so, at now in Russia everything is good in Russia and the clever president and if tomorrow any fool comes to the power? He didn't want to join Russia. He said that perhaps soon to Russia millions of refugees will run, he the Ukrainian knew that in Ukraine there will be a civil war. He predicted the death, spoke that when he goes to Ukraine tomorrow, him perhaps there will kill, because he speaks now on the Russian TV, against the Ukrainian geeks who want to seize power. After a TV program he went to Ukraine and him soon there killed. Here such sad story. He love Russia, but didn't want that Ukraine joined Russia also. Now in the West like to accuse constantly Russia if Russia didn't annex the Crimea, there would be no war also. This story speaks differently. War wouldn't be if the West didn't support revolutionaries of geeks. But the West supported them. And if Putin didn't rescue inhabitants of the Crimea, civil war would be there anyway...

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PS: from here... sorry for my translation - lot of text, take to long...

 

1. Russia has had more taxes from selling gas and oil under Putin then it ever had before under the USSR or US puppets in 1990s.
2. There is no problem if the oil in western Siberia is the last one in the world to be mined. Once the price for oil gets higher - we will have the money and the technology.

So, thank you very much for your ideas about the oil in western siberia, but for the moment the world has enough of oil and the price goes down. If we had the infrastucture built in western siberia than we would have to run it at a loss... And that is not a good deal. Especially once we have invested bilions for american contractors.

 

According to recent figures, Russia has the 6th highest number of people in modern slavery.

http://www.ungift.org/doc/knowledge...013/GlobalSlaveryIndex_2013_Download_WEB1.pdf

While we got them from Africa, you guys just walk them across the border of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. But half a million slaves in modern times, yikes.

Something about pots and kettles, can't remember.

I'm sure that doesn't fit the Kremlin agenda to talk about though.

Or wait no, let me guess, my source is western propaganda set up to destroy Russia and make all of its people become cybernetic implants stuck in a mind control system and used for bio electricity and body heat!!!

Or something...

 

If you don't have a youtube video to support this I won't believe. Well. There is a problem of early capitalism here. Russia is quite liberal and as a new capitalist state the governmnt is really not able to control this problem adequately. In most cases the entreupreneurs from Uzbekistan and Tajikistan drive the people of their own nationality illegally into Russia and then they themselves abuse them forcing for what is called modern slavery. It used to be a huge problem in the 90s and early 2000s. The latest decade the situation changed a lot. The Federal Migration Service does its job. So in practice it looks a little bit different. It is not russians who own slaves. We make them free and integrate them into our society, but of course it is not eliminated so far. But with the time we will not have such a shame for sure. Because of our national aims and values.

You are wrong. Kremlin has told several times that modern slavery is not appropriate in Russia. It is not something new that they introduced to the capitalist world. Most of prostitutes are not the russians. They are ukrainians and moldovans, cause life their is worse then in Russia and choosing the life of a prostitute in Moscow in their viewpoint is not the worst that could happen to them. Prostitution is illegal in Russia... unlike from some european countries where the job of a prostitute (understanding that most of them are from former USSR and eastern Europe) is welcomed and warmed by the moralty of society and government regulations... We are still fighting with the evil. We haven't put up.

No. It is a work of a regular western organisation. It has doublestandards and lacks for real actual figures. There are much more countries in the world except for Russia which deserve to push it off the top ten.

By the way while I am writing what I have written - I am absolutely sure that FSB is not reading it. (It would if I wrote it elsewhere). But are you sure that your mind is not guarded by a bigger brother to make you think really patriotic way... which is certainly understood as feeling superior towards the rest of the world.

 

No, your link is just the bad example of a source because no one at this forum will start to read the book consisting of 136 pages, trying will agree or to reject your point.
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Tell you what....talk to me in a Decade and Western Siberia will STILL not have the necessary infrastructure developed under Putin.

AboveAlpha

 

It is not planned. The oil and gas is planned to be extracted from the Arctic. The western Siberia resources are a stash for another 20-30 years. It will be a waste to throw this oil of ours to the market now. Now when we are able to sell other resources at a higher profit and develop the infrastructure that we need.
So once again. Before the end of the decade I will tell You that we didn't need the developed infrastructure in western Siberia a decade ago, now and in a decade. The situation in the world and in Russia doesn't require it.

 

By 2023 never mind 20 to 30 years the U.S. and Canada will be completely 100% ENERGY SELF SUFFICIENT as well both will be EXPORTING MORE ENERGY THAN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!

In 30 Years Oil will start to become a ENERGY OF THE PAST!!

Just this past fall the U.S. Military had it's THIRD SUCCESSFUL TEST OF IT'S NEW LOW TEMP....not room temp. but LOW TEMP. MICRO FUSION GENERATORS!!!

By the time Russia get's around to developing the necessary Siberian Infrastructure never mind setting up Drilling Rigs and Pumping Stations and Pipelines.....IT'S OIL SUPPLIES WILL START TO BECOME OBSOLETE!!!

Plus the COST PER BARREL OF SIBERIAN OIL WILL BE ENORMOUS!!!

Russia by as early as 2017 will not be able to seel Oil at low enough prices to compete with the very low Oil Prices that will be charges by the U.S. and Canada.

Remember.....North American Oil Reserves now that we are capable tech wise to rapidly and cost effectively extract Oil from Canadian Sand Tar and U.S. Shale as well as Liquid Oil Reserves well North America is calculated to have 6.1 TIMES the amount of Oil Reserves compared to the Middle East.

Russia will be too little too late!!

AboveAlpha

 

I am not sure that it happens. It also depends on the demand for energy. And that is very unpredictable for US and Canada.

I heard it 30 years ago to be honest. When the price for oil was much lower than now.

Cold fusion is so far a theory. Before it gains the market there should be more time of successful usage. And even then there should pass a lot more years to pass to design new engines and adapt new source of fuel to different spheres. I agree that oil in 30 years will be used less, because the heat generation and electricity generation will obviously change. Note that steam engines didn't leave that fast after the discovery of combustion. There was a lot of years and inventions and engineering before the steam engines were gone.

That's our problems. But I see no reason to throw it to the market now and at all costs. There is no sense to do that just on the basis of some bright assumptions of the future.

If there is no market for it and the world will work on portable cold fusion energy - the oil will stay where it is. And it is not a problem.

No problem. If there is no market - we won't sell. We will wait until you deplete your resources to sell ours at the price which will make us a profit. If these days don't come - it is not a problem.

The technologies for that were developed in the 60s. They are expensive and risky to the environment. If You decide to run it - that is your choice. But it is not any motivation for us to sell our siberian oil...

 

You are missing the point.

Russia needs JOBS NOW FOR IT'S PEOPLE!!!

We already established that China gave a Putin Controlled Russian Energy Company $70 Billion to increase Oil Production and Exports to China by 4 to 6 Times what it was back in 2012.

Russia told China it did not have the money to build the necessary Eastern Siberian Oil Rigs, Pumping Stations and connective Pipelines so China gave Russia $70 Billion and made a deal to purchase Russian Oil at $120 a Barrel.

Putin and his buddies skimmed about $45 to $50 Billion from that $70 Billion and China is SCREAMING...."WHERE THE HELL IS OUR OIL!!??"

Now China is refusing to pay $120 a Barrel for East Siberian Oil because Russia did not hold up their end of the agreement.

GUESS....where and from whom China is now buying it's OIL to make up for the Russian Shortfall?

The U.S. and Canada.....at HALF THE PRICE!!!

This year in 2015 80% of the Russian Economy will come from Oil and Gas exports.....leaving a DISMAL 20% of the Russian Economy being generated by over 145 Million Russians.

If Putin attempts to annex that swath of land from Russia along the Black Sea to connect Russia to the Crimea in the Ukraine.....the U.S. and Canada will ABSOLUTELY FLOOD THE IL MARKET AGAIN...but this time to an even greater degree.

I don't want to see the Russian people suffer....I want to see them PROSPER as a wealthy Russia means less U.S. Defense Spending.

Russia cannot allow itself or it's Leadership to lead them down a road to have an ECONOMIC WAR with the U.S., Canada, Europe, Japan, South Korea....etc....as Russia will lose....BIG.

Doesn't it make more sense to develop the Western Siberian Infrastructure quickly and cheaply and start pumping out more Natural Gas and Oil?

There are only two Nations capable technologically and have the experience to do this quickly and cheaply and Russia and China are not those two.

The two are the U.S. and Canada.

AboveAlpha

 

AboveAlpha, except oil, Russia have gas etc.
China began building gas pipeline on own territory "Force of Siberia".
It will be constructed in six years.
[video=youtube;gR7xdOgC7x4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR7xdOgC7x4[/video]
Putin appends the signature on a gas pipe.

 

EASTERN SIBERIA.....and there is already a connective Pipeline existing.

But China is now refusing to pay the $120 a Barrel of Oil it agreed to pay because Russia breached it's agreement as far as the amount of Oil it would have been exporting to China by now had Putin and his Buddies not stole $45 to $50 BILLION China gave Putin Controlled Oil Companies to build the needed additional Oil Rigs and Pumping Stations that were necessary to increase Oil Production and Exports.

CHINA IS REALLY P!$$ED OFF about this.

That is why China has begun to purchase Canadian and American Oil at $60 a Barrel.

As well since the United States holds the worlds largest Coal Reserves...China is asking the U.S. to increase Coal Exports to China by 4 to 6 Fold which we can easily do as we have massive amounts of Coal.

But where Russia has already LOST OUT ON....is Western Siberian Oil and Natural Gas Production and Exports.

Putin cancelled that Joint Russian/American Siberian Infrastructure and Energy Extraction Program 12 YEARS AGO!!!

Putin cancelled it and said....RUSSIA COULD DO THIS ON IT'S OWN WITHOUT AMERICAN HELP.

As a result...there is LESS Oil being pumped out of Western Siberia than there was 12 Years Ago!!!

The U.S. and Canada DO NOT NEED RUSSIAN OIL AND GAS!!!

We have 6.1 TIMES the amount of Oil Reserves that the total Middle east Has!!!

If the Program had begun 12 years ago the Average Russian Family would be well off.

But Putin KNEW if the U.S. was a Partner....Putin and his Buddies COULD NOT STEAL OIL AND GAS PROFITS like they are doing now from Oil and Gas Exports to China.

THAT....is why the Program was cancelled...not because as some Putin Supporters state that the U.S. would steal Russian Oil and Gas for ourselves.....WE DON'T NEED IT!!!

China however does need it and even Putin has stated he would NEVER ALLOW CHINA to gain a Foothold in Western Siberia where the vast majority of Oil and Natural Gas reserves are located.

Basically your own Leader in Putin has destroyed the Well Being of the Russian People.

AboveAlpha

 

Well. This is a big lie. Everyone in the world is promoted to steal under the cover of White House rulers. This political regime unites the thieves of different cultures all over the world and corruption is the mean of coming into the herd. If you are corrupted and if you steal from your people as... as... a saudi sheikh - you will be the best friend of White House. Ah yes. One condition. You should obey the orders of theirs.

 

You constantly repeat about allegedly bad and silly Putin who doesn't understand economy...... but I will disappoint you.
Here look one example as clever Putin, does Russia richer.

The general stocks on the island of Sakhalin of 150 million tons of oil - 50 billion gas.
During board of the former president Yeltsin, foreign giant companies, completely took control over a field.

They divided actions among themselves in the following proportion: Royal Dutch Shell - 55% of Mitsui - 25% of Mitsubishi - 20%

Russian, Gazprom, asked to go shares, but received flat refusal.

But Putin came to the power. And then - the Russian natural supervision counted damage of ecology from implementation of the project for the sum of 50 billion dollars.

Foreigners having understood that won't allow to work with it, Japanese and Dutches agreed to share profit - each of them moderated appetite twice.

The Russian company Gazprom, honestly redeemed from each company a half of the equity stake in total for 7,45 billion dollars cash.

Today actions are distributed so: Gazprom - 50% plus one action. Royal Dutch Shell - 27,5% minus one action. Mitsui - 12,5%. Mitsubishi - 10%
[video=youtube_share;KFA_6x3iGWI]http://youtu.be/KFA_6x3iGWI[/video]

 

Golly....with all that oil, you folks will be sitting pretty for almost a day. As soon as you manage to build the tools to extract it.

 

one company couldn't make such project , it did together...
[video=youtube_share;QyZH1GvH2SA]http://youtu.be/QyZH1GvH2SA[/video]
[video=youtube_share;4YeIeN52oes]http://youtu.be/4YeIeN52oes[/video]
[video=youtube_share;AisLuZ9vfcE]http://youtu.be/AisLuZ9vfcE[/video]

 

Yes...there is corruption everywhere.

But the corruption existing in Russia exists upon such an enormous level....the Russian People are screwed.

AboveAlpha

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LOL!!!

Yeah.....Gazprom!!! Putin's personal BANK!!

AboveAlpha

 

If your corruption is better than ours I am happy for you. But there is no point to talk that russian corruption is not acceptable for the US... It is our problem. We are a separate state. It is our business. The situation with corruption today is bad, but the tendency is good. Corrupted people lose their jobs, get fines, go to jail. Government performs different strategies for state projects, which gets improved.

 

But you like if ''it Bank'' would belong to Royal Dutch Shell ,f Mitsui, Mitsubishi
no way - it is better to Gazprom .

 

It WAS your own Business to deal with until Putin in an attempt to prevent the Ukraine from becoming Europes #1 Supplier of Natural Gas....ANNEXED PART OF THE UKRAINE!!

Putin knew that the Ukraine had hired Exxon-Moble TEST DRILLING TEAMS after the Russian Test Drilling Teams LIED to the Ukraine about how much Oil and Natural Gas existed in the Crimea and in the Back Sea shoreline area surrounding the Crimea.

The Russian Test Drilling Teams were under orders from Putin to LIE about the amount of Oil and Natural Gas and they even went so far as to tell the Ukraine that since all tests had come back with detecting such small amounts of Oil and Gas that they were suspending any further Test Drilling in order to SAVE THE UKRAINE MONEY!!!

The Ukraine knew something was up...they hired Test Drillers from Exxon-Mobile and American Energy Giant...and their Drilling Tests showed the Crimea as having between 5000 and 6000 TIMES AS MUCH OILAND GAS AS WHAT THE RUSSIAN TEST DRILLERS TOLD THE UKRAINE!!!

The Ukraine immediately hired Exxon-Mobile and since the Ukraine has it's own massive and complex Pipeline System that Russia Rents to pump Russian Natural Gas to Europe....the Ukrainian's knew and Putin certainly knew that using Advanced and High Tech. U.S. Corporate Drilling Techniques they could have the Crimea ready to pump out massive amounts of Natural Gas....which they could undercut Russian Gas Prices and replace Russia as Europes #1 Supplier of Natural Gas.

Right durig the Olympics Putin sent a large Number of Spetsnaz in to create a NON-EXISTENT CRISIS....as those supposed Russian Seperatists were paid HUGE AMOUNTS OF AMERICAN MONEY to help Putin Annex the Ukraine's Crimea.

THAT...is what annexing the Crimea was all about.....Natural Gas sales to Europe.

AboveAlpha

 

The Ukrainian gas isn't important for Russia, it for the USA is important. To spoil the earth in Ukraine, extracting slate gas, from hundreds of thousands kilometers from the USA, then it is unimportant that there will be. Russia needs brotherly Ukraine in which the USA, many years create radicals, similar ISIS.

 

Natural Gas...important to the U.S?

We have massive amounts of Oil and Gas and we have no need to import Gas and Oil as well as I have posted we will be with Canada 100% Energy Self Sufficient by 2023.

The Ukraine HIRED OUR COMPANIES....Exxon-Mobile....after Russian Test Drilling Firms lied to them.

AboveAlpha

 

Lie. There was a Magnitsky act which tried to pressurize Putin, russian officials and businessmen of key russian enterprises. That happened before this bloody american show in Ukraine and reunion of Russia and Crimea.
The so-called invasion - is a second lie. I wish Russia has invaded Ukraine, killed all the pro-US puppets and gave the people the possibility to choose their future. If their choice is to become a part of Russia - so be it. If they want to stay in independent Ukraine - their choice. If they want to get to EU - it is their and EU business. If they want to become another state of United States - it is their choice. But unfortunately this have never happened and today's situation goes to a big war. Agressive war of the US puppets against Russia. And we will be able to win all the battles, but there will be no victory for us except for survival. And the world will blame us of 'aggression'.

The deposits in Crimea would be enough to supply Ukraine with its own gas. For now Ukraine mines its own gas which is enough for about 20%. EXXON did nothing better and new. They just got to the sites and received the results of job done by russians. It was us to find the gas for Ukraine... It was us who wanted to make business in Ukraine. US stole like it always does the results but couldn't benefit, because of the decision of crimeans..

Lie. The pipeline is soviet. It was done not only by ukrainians. For now the pipeline belongs to americans who managed the coup in Kiev. The gas in Crimea is enough for Ukraine, but it is far not enough for supplying of EU. Americans planned to use the gas there as a cover as a show and to steal russian gas from the same pipeline like Ukraine did already once. That is why the old soviet pipeline will not be used for any export of russian gas since 2014. We have new gaslines if that is EU plan to use them or not - it is their decision.

Lie. Lie. And lie. Crimeans who took part in the Kiev counter-Maidan meeting were killed by american sponsored fascists and they were told that their land will be turned into tatar land or anything but the people there decided to have their own plan. The crimeans did everything themselves. Noone expected that in the world and that is why the smart a$$es in Washington went pieced off. No spetsnaz on Earth can come to Washington DC and in a week with whatever atrocities possiblt make it the land of anyone else's state. We saw how western spetsnaz managed to break Libya. It was bloody, visible and ugly. But they couldn't make Libya a part of any state preserving the order and peace like it used to be in Crimea. White House fascists underestimated russian subhumans of Crimea as all the fascists have ever done. This why they keep on lying about the aggression. Crimeans broke all their plans.

The gas to EU was everything White House guys thought off while planning murders of russians and ukrainians. They failed and they would never get their aims in reality. But as long as they cannot accept it - they continue all this media war.

 

You really have no idea what went on or the reasons for what went on.

The really sad thing is as the Russian Economy by PUTIN'S PEOPLE'S OWN ESTIMATES....will decrease by a MINIMUM of 5.5% and perhaps as high as 7.8% in 2015.

5.5% to 7.8% decrease in a Nations Economy would even be considered a FREAING DISASTER even in the #1 in the Worlds U.S. $17.7 Trillion Economy.

This 5.5% to 7.8% decrease in Russia's very small $1.98 Trillion Economy in 2015 will constitute more than just a DISASTER.....it will be equal to a GREAT DEPRESSION and 145 Million Russian's including my Russian Friends who I have talked to are WORRIED TO DEATH!!!

As it is now the ONLY reason that Russia's Economy has not COMPLETELY COLLAPSED....is because we...the United States stopped flooding the Oil Market with Canada as we realised doing this was only harming the average Russian Family as PUTIN DID NOT CARE!!!

What happens if the Russian Economy decreases just 6% and then Putin attempts to Annex that swath of Ukrainain Territory along the Western Black Sea Shoreline to connect Russia with the Ukraine????

The U.S. and European Economic Response will be DEVESTATING!!!

The Ruble has already been rendered virtually wothless all stores and companies only accept either Euro's or U.S. Dollars.


I will tell you what would happen.....THIS IDIOCY WOULD MARK THE FALL OF PUTIN!!!

And a LOT of Russian Families would struggle just as hard as they once did under Austerity Measures during WWII.

I can tell you this right now.....the current Russian Population WILL NOT PUT UP WITH THOSE WWII like Austerity Measures and there will be a possible Revolution in Russia which if Putin tries to CRUSH....willonly make things worse.


Putin's days are numbered.

AboveAlpha

 

It is obvious. Remember how fast Joe Biden's son got to the top company that owns soviet gas tube for russian export. What other reasons does US have in the region that locates between EU and Russia? Democracy? Rights of people? Please... It's the money.

The economy now is unstable. For the moment if Russia continues to lose But the losses are already changed. If there are no dramatic changes by the end of the year it will be less than 5%. The loss is corrected from 3.3% to 3.7%. This is the latest data.

For an economy of our size such a loss is mathematically obvious less then for the rich states. Look if I have 100 USD and you have 1000000 USD then my loss of 50% is losing 50 USD and your loss of 1% is a loss of 10 000 USD.

Lie. Lie and propaganda. And nothing else.

US does everything it can to harm Russia. Don't lie. Please. You haven't flooded the world market with oil and gas because your methods of mining gas are not reliable. Your gas output depends on the productivity of the breakage of gas level with the water solutions. Which is unpredictable and much lower then with standards gas oilfields. This still can supply northamerican cluster of the world. But the export perspectives are dim. Especially understanding that your technology of gas mining is more costly.

Besides, your allies recently failed in Syria and Iraq and haven't secured larger volumes for black market of oil. Stabilisation of oil demand is not that much after them but still after OPEC countries, who recently decided to stabilize the market at a price of 60-70 USD per barrel. Which is enough to make your oil unprofitable.

Nonsense. You change consequenses. First the oil prices dropped and only then US started its bloody war in Ukraine. Putin had to react and so far his efforts brought a bad peace to the territory, which US and its puppets failed to break so far. This why for the moment they try to move war closer to EU by destabilizing Modova and Transnistria.

And at the end it will lead to mutual nuclear destruction. Agree.

Lie. Russia runs on rubles. The chaos of 90s is in the past. Those days we really used dollars and euros. I myself got my salary in EUROs. But this year we run just on roubles and no store and no company wishes to work with currencies you mention. It is just unprofitable. The most part of the year rouble was strengthening and keeping money in a different currency would be an obvious stupidity. These 2 weeks rouble dropped again but it hasn't reached its lows of January... So those who operate this year in USD in Russia are just unqualified idiots.

This is what Capitol wants. But it wouldn't happen. You don't know what kind of hatred towards americans and europeans sleeps under Putin. So far he is a person who is staying between the world peace and the world war. If something happens to him... - there will be war not even in a month time. And it would last until the world (a completely changed and uncivilized world) finds new ways for coexistence.

About 90% of them wil fight for sure. The same way.

We will not revolt against ourselves. US tried already. Unfortunately things were to easy for them lately so they lost a feeling of measures. This revolution will never happen. Even if the life drops to the quality of the 90s which we managed to outlive.

If so - there is going to be a big war between us.