Russia on the brink of collapse

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  1. Europe2050

    Europe2050 New Member

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    But Hiroshima 1945 has nothing to so with Praha 1968. I simply wanted to point out, that it is complete nonsense to get potentially neutral czechs against Russia about an historical fact, USSR was responsible for, and not nowadays Russia.
    But Russia actually obviously dosen't Need good relationships, just like US in Times of GWB.
    Thats what I call national selfishness, and stupid.
    And all foolish russian nationalists shout " Hurray ".
     
  2. Kiwi33

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    Yes it isn't wise... I can tell only, they aren't guilty as well as Ukrainians, they were stuck in system...
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/27/the-czech-republic-and-the-fine-art-of-collaboration/
     
  3. AboveAlpha

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    The Soviet's assasinated the Afghan Leader and then invaded.

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    This is laughable at best.

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    Yeah....they love the Soviet's and Russian's so much that's why they all have joined or want to join NATO!!

    GET REAL!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
  4. Kiwi33

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    They as well as Ukrainians, thought will get to the fairy tale.
    You Lazy to read a lot of text, OK I a little quote for you
    ...and what the Uncle Sam make good for Czech (as well as to all former Soviet - poverty, depopulation of the country, destruction of the industry etc. - not the enviable future)

    FULL TEXT - http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/27/the-czech-republic-and-the-fine-art-of-collaboration/
     
  5. Yazverg

    Yazverg Well-Known Member

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    US had a dropshot plan of nuclear attack of USSR. Within the period of the make of nuclear strategic soviet rockets USSR had a strategy of attacking western sattelites of the US in response for the nuclear attack. NATO was created as a mean of preventive attacking of soviet forces in Eastern Europe, which would make the nuclear attack for US easier and acceptable. As a response USSR created Warsaw pact and used the armies of its european allies (sattelites). This configuration was the biggest threat for world peace until today. For now Russia doesn't need any assimetric decision for nuclear attack. If Obama or Bush or whoever decides to take the throne in US performs nuclear attack - there would be the strike back. For now the strategy of US is to base anti-missile defences around Russia and use the suicide attacks of its allies (sattelites) against the russians, e.g. muslim terrorists, ukrainians, georgians.
    US being a superpower has always planned to kill my grandparents, parents, me and my kids. Russia has never had any plan of armed invasion of US. We never invested anything into the means of transportaion of our military to american continent. There has never been such an aim.

    Lie. Berlin wall is not even logically an attack of the west. If we were attacking - it would be you who would built some kind of a wall. Czech Republic from the times of WWII was not occupied evenly and there were tries to use them against the soviets. It was not an invasion. It was a political battle.

    :) No paranoics appear to come to leadership of republics. Paranoics appear at the head of the state only if the power belongs for the same family for a long time. Considering your rivals as paranoics is just propagandaa for the dummies.

    That is exactly what policy means. US democratic-republican party is the devil embodied. :) But I wouldn't blame the americans for living in the same country with the devil. It is their weakness and bad luck.
     
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    Invasion, intervention and assistance are all terms used to describe the Soviet actions in Afghanistan, depending on who's spinning the story.

    The Soviets did have the Soviet-Afghanistan Treaty of Friendship to justify their actions. What justification did the US have in arming the mujahideen? The old reliable 'stopping the spread of Communism'?

    In any case, there is no question as to the results, especially in regard to the suffering that Afghanistan has endured for the past 35 years. There is also no question that the US support of terrorism in Afghanistan has come full circle and bit us squarely on the ass.
     
  7. AboveAlpha

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    Yeah Right!

    Because it takes BRAINWASHING to convince people FREEDOM IS A GOOD THING!! LOL!!!

    GIVE IT UP ALREADY!!!

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    No doubt about that.

    Watch CHARLIE WILSON'S WAR....movie about exactly what happened that caused the Soviet's to leave Afghanistan.

    We used Afghanistan against the Soviet Union as PAYBACK for Vietnam...of that I will not deny anything.

    We were in Afghanistan.....196 of us....directing U.S. Air Strikes that killed TEN'S OF THOUSANDS OF THE ENEMY!!

    They never knew what hit them.

    As we knew History we knew Afghanistan was an Invaders Graveyard.....as the Nation is split up into Tribal Warlords and it has been this way for thousands of years.

    But 196 of us did what the Soviets could not do for a decade.....we WIPED THEM OUT!!

    THEN....some A$$#@!E in DC decides to go NATION BUILDING in a Country still in the Stone Age!!!

    IDIOCY!!

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    Look...I have said this over and over again.....I believe it is IMPARATIVE for the Health and Wealth of the Average Russian Family to place a Leader in Office that will develop a PARTNERSHIP WITH THE UNITED STATES!!!

    Together there is NOTHING we could not do.

    China will become a very REAL THREAT not to the U.S. but to RUSSIA!!!

    China has absolute ZERO Force Projection Capabilities and a very incapable Navy and we have China contained very easily Militarily.

    But China with about 1.7 Billion People...China under reports it's population by 300 Million to get the U.N. Human Rights and Poverty Commisions off their ASS.....is a HUGE THREAT TO RUSSIA!!!

    They could have 3 Million Chinese Soldiers over the Russian Boarder and deep into Russia before Russia could react and THEN what is Russia going to do?

    NUKE IT'S OWN TERRITORY???

    Putin HIMSELF in many speeches warned about allowing China access to Siberia.

    Now fortunately the vast amount of Oil and Natural Gas exists in WESTRN SIBERIA not Eastern Siberia.

    But RUSSIAN'S HAVE TO WAKE UP AND REALISE THE UNITED STATES IS NOT THE ENEMY!!!

    I spent a great deal of time in Russia and made many friends and my Team and I were treated with great respect and friendship.

    What is going on.....is the rape and pillaging of Russian Oil and Gas Wealth by a bunch of Old Communists.

    WAKE UP!!!

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  10. Europe2050

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    I read the text and feel it as an insult for every Czech. I would be ashamed even to quote it.

    Czech, Polish and Germans have succeded in getting their WW1, WW2 and post-WW2 quarrels to history, a work, russians didn't even begin with, like the continued crying "Fascist" in direction to Ukraine shows.
    Czechs and Slovaks have succeeded in divorcion without the cruel acompanyments like Yugoslavia or USSR.
    Czechs mainly still don't hate Russians, and as i wrote before, they don't hang the events of 1968 too high. But Russia - not the west - are actively working on a change in this point.

    Only some of the lies in the article:
    - the changes that led to 1968 were not made by a "western influenced population" but by the government led by the KSC.
    - CSR was the economic powerhouse in 1938 with Europes highest living Standard (and the only still working Democracy in Middle and Eastern Europe), in the 1960's it was only (together with GDR) the most developed country of COMECON, but not the world.
    - it was not the czech who welcomed german invaders in 1938 and 1939, but the some two million german natives. (The german-czech relationships were complicated in those times and no side was without guilt).
    - like polish czech patriots also fought on side of the British in WW2 and in the country.
    - did you ever hear of czech oligarchs - obviously the transformation worked better that f.e. in Russia or Ukraine.
    - Instead I see lots of normal czech families on trips to Germany (Czechs are very fond of public swimming bathes and in our region we have some fine ones). Seems like the average Czech is not too poor ...

    So keep your dirt whereever you are and don't get it on your neighbours. After millions of dead in Europe we have learned to help our neighbours and not to insult them.
     
  11. Kiwi33

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    The author ANDRE VLTCHEK the U.S. citizen many of years
     
  12. Yazverg

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    Putin is just the person who is able to perform negotiations with the US to the benefit of russian households. The problem is that there is not a single person among the corrupt and pervert elite of the US who is capable to think out of the box and understand any interests but their own personal ones.

    They have a zero interest for it.

    For some reason, you, americans, are very afraid of anyone elses power and virtues. There is nothing to be afraid of chinese populations.

    Russia would make sure that they are buried and don't make any risks for epidemic situation... 3 or 33 million of soldiers is a huge number to supply with fuel, food and ammo. So even if we don't have any impact with chinese army they would die of hunger on a half way from chinese border to Moscow. The limit for chinese invasion is not the quantity of their soldiers but the quality and quantity of their roads and roads in Russia. This reduces their effectiveness to zero.

    Why not nuking their terrotory? Without the major cities and supplies no soldiers have any danger.

    When the US people would hang their political leaders and elect some other guys who think not only about their pockets - they have a chance to stop being russian enemy. For now US state acts as enemy, speaks as enemy and indeed is the enemy of every russian.

    Isn't it you. americans who support any thief of oil and gas and any corrupt traitor of USSR or Russia? If you only tried to help us in the 90s and return into Russia all the stolen billions - you would have any right to talk what you said. But in fact US was at the head and is a head thief and killer of our people. And it will not deceive us another time.
     
  13. Europe2050

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    The author's statehood doesn't matter (Ok, if he would have been German it would have mattered to me).

    His article is a big insult to a Nation, that has chosen not to act the way, he feels the right one.

    I'm not a Czech, but I have many good friends over there, was treated well although the difficult history, and they don't earn this.

    Learn to respect the others and they will respect you.
     
  14. Kiwi33

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    In Ukraine there was freedom of 25 years!
    During this time the USA BRAINWASHING to Ukrainians - bought all to mass media, copied the Ukrainian textbooks of history, thought up Famine-Genocide - of which allegedly Russians are guilty (except the USA - the world community it doesn't recognize) Sometimes when I argue with Ukrainians, they speak to me - why Russia wasn't engaged 25 years in promotion in Ukraine as the USA? I answer them - Excuse me brothers Ukrainians, but Russia not so rich do all that. Russia of 25 years sponsored your simple people (gas for example) and you wanted that Russians sponsored you also ideologically. Wrote books about ancient super - Ukrainians, dressed you in national clothes etc. Sponsored thousand your intellectuals also. Ukrainians, you in 25 years, became greedy and lazy. We will better take away from you - our Crimea, can after that you will grow wiser... by the way when the Russian Crimea was attached to Ukraine, for some reason the USA it didn't revolt(weren't indignant) and the USA didn't do the sanction for Ukraine...as always, the USA have double standards
     
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    ok - i'm sorry ...
     
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    How do you figure we owe you money???

    Not only did we spend over $300 Billion CLEANING UP THE SOVIET WEAPONS MESS....we also FORCED Western Europe to forgive Multiple Billions in Soviet Debt!!!

    I am looking towards the FUTURE.

    The U.S. and Canada will soon become the Preeminant Energy Suplier to the World....FAR surpassing the Middle East.

    We have absolutely ZERO NEED OF RUSSIAN OIL OR GAS.

    But we have the Highly Advanced Drilling and Infrastructure Development Technology and Experience to not only create MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF GOOD JOBS FOR RUSSIAN'S.....but as well make the Standard of Living for the Average Russian Family increase 10 Fold in a Decade.

    We can't help you if Putin is going to keep annexing Nations.

    We WANT to help you because helping Russia helps the U.S. as it would allow us to decrease Defense Spending 3 Fold.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    The nice patriot, AboveAlpha left a few crucial details out of his reasons why Russia should volunteer to have crazed US cops patrolling their country, and all the rest of the garbage that US politicians are constantly dumping on the American people.

    1. How about the printing plates for US currency that were given to Russia during Stalin's regime?
    2. How about FORD MOTORS building the factories of Russia?
    3. The flights of aircraft from Montana to Siberia bringing tons of food, supplies, equipment, technical supplies needed during WW2?
    4. US grants of funds, equipment, and technology for many years after WW2.

    Now on the negative side:
    The Cold War and all that nuclear missile garbage ..... no friendly intent there.
    The attempt by Dean Rusk and Robert MacNamarra to start a nuclear war against Russia during the Kennedy administration.
    The US sinking of Russian submarines.
    The sabotage of the nuclear reactor at Chernobyl.
    US support of Allah Wa Akhbar crazies against Russian personel in Afghanistan.
    The US subsidizing the bombing of the Russian Duma.
    The US looting of the Russian economy that was designed to break Russia.....but was stopped by Putin.
    The US support for Chechnia Islamic crazies.
    The US support for the genocidal intent of those who invaded South Ossetia.
    The US hijack of Kiev.
    Etc., Etc.
     
  18. AboveAlpha

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    WHOA!!! HOLD ON!!!

    The sabotage of the nuclear reactor at Chernobyl???????

    YOU ARE UNREAL!!!!

    This never hapened....not even CONSIDERED!!!

    Complete fabrication on your part!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Only uranium deal have many times paid back for all your expenses. Many Russian enterprises were deliberately bought at low prices with the purpose of their bankruptcy for elimination of competitors. There were many different ways to plunder Russia in 90s. The invasion of Western economic advisers is equivalent to only the invasion of the Mongols in XIII century.The same destruction and looting.

    You personally do not need Russian oil and gas. In fact, an ordinary American has nothing from this robbery. But your financial oligarchy needs them. Because oil and gas are the power and money, lots of money.
     
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    Ukraine was the most industrialized part of the Soviet Union, and today it exceeds only in prostitution...but let's be honest here, had it not been for Vladimir Putin, this would have been the fate of Russia as well. Russia was known as a kleptocracy under Yeltsin, yet Putin managed to straighten it out. His only mistake towards the future of Russia, is that he trusted the EU, never knowing how much control Washington had over them.

    Putin thought they would look after their own self interests, never realizing that their historical memories, and their fears of Washington and its bullying tactics, would supersede their rationale and their courage.

    Had Ukraine remained part of The Russian Federation, Putin might have been able to free it from its mafia elements and their gang wars as to who would rob Ukraine the most. It's something though that the bigger criminals in Washington would have never allowed...as we are now seeing.
     
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    There is one Russian proverb: If you have such friends you don't need enemies.
     
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    1. I don't care about the money. Just don'e touch and privatise the owning of justice and truth. Leave it to everyone and keep your money as much as you want.
    2. If I have a chance to pay for the safe destuction of all the american arsenals of old nuclear rockets - I would take a loan myself in order to pay for it. That is not the help. There is nothing to proud of. These 300 billion haven't done any good to russians or to the world. It was a waste if you want to put it that way. I wish you would never come to my country and touched a single nut and screw of our military equipment.
    3. The future of the oil and gas resources is quite visible. They are the main fuel of the current model of life. Once they are finished - there will be another one. But for the moment noone wants to be the first to sacrifice the today for the unknown tomorrow.
    The case is just that in the weak of the resources use monday and tuesday everyone wants their product to be sold and thursday everyone tries to use someone elses stash in order to stay with his own resources at the weekend. US (and Canada if you really want to mention it) failed already to secure the resources of the world. Not only in Russia. The failure is everywhere. And for the moment the game is to take the market off the oil and gas countries, to change the hard bargainers in the commanding positions to the puppets. A risky and idiotic move I would say.
    4. Noone needs millions for oil-digging... The russians according to US strategy must die killing each other for any stupid reason. And some hundreds of personnel operating the US mining facilities (even under conditions of nuclear pollution) can be found at the borders of the empire... I know that the plan of your government didn't leave any chance for us. :) I want to believe the happy end and I even believed it in the 90s. But I saw that it is all fake. This why it is very difficult for me to regard US as a friend.
     
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    You are wrong about us.

    Our record speaks for itself.

    Look at Japan, South Korea, Germany...etc.

    Vietnam right now is petitioning HARD to have the U.S. Military once again run massive bases in Vietnam as a buffer to China and to allow them Most Favored Nation Trading Status.

    We could have done GREAT THINGS for the Average Russian and Russia.

    Putin has only stolen Russian Oil and Gas wealth.

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    Japan, Korea and Germany has great people who managed to live well long before the slavery was abolished in the USA. So everything good these countries have ever had is because of their people. Not yours. What you brought to Korea - is separation. To Japan - occupation. To Germany - humiliation.
    If you want to see what are the actual pure results of just your efforts - look at Afghanistan, Iraq etc. These people could barely nothing except for survival and they still can't.

    The chinese are tough bargainers. And they really have territorial and historical problems with Vietnam. But they would overcome it. The attempt of Vietnam to use NATO to their favour is a good idea. But it doesn't say that they do it just because of some of your merits.

    True. You could. But never did.

    So far he manages it with a better benefit to russians then the US puppets did in 1990s.
     
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    There is less Oil being pumped out of Western Siberia now then there was 12 years ago when Putin cancelled the Joint Russian/American Siberian Infrastructure Development Plan.

    Russia will not allow China into Western Siberia where the vast majority of Oil and Natural Gas exists compared to Eastern Siberia.

    Russia has neither the Money or the Technology or experience to develop it...and China has even less tech. and experience.

    But hey....by all means....keep allowing Putin to steal from you.

    AboveAlpha
     

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