Russia on the brink of collapse

On the contrary, never was a China Card and the evidence is Crimea. China has increased trade with Russia rather than be part of the imposers of sanctions.

You are way wrong if you think that China exports solely to the US. Right now, at this moment, Chinese are buying lands like crazy in all around the world but here in the US. And its goods are sold in all the globe, you can visit Israel, go to a store and find products made in China.

The game was about money. China found out that the Federal Bank printed trillions of dollars without being backed up with gold and stopped acquiring US bonds. The situation is very critical, The US is losing allies. China enjoys today not only the approval but the investment of European countries on its own international bank. Notice that the US was opposed to such Chinese step for years, but even the UK gave green light to China.

I'm not an alarmist but I'm not blind either.

What the US government will do when the collapse comes, is to hurt the retired, the handicap, the widows and orphans, the unemployed and poor in general, but won't cut off a single percent of the contracts made with big corporations.

I can tell you that the US government will go to war to cover up its own economic failure.

And, it is a saying from China, that is, "do not make revenge against your enemy, just sit on the sidewalk at the front of your house, that you will see his cadaver passing by going to the cemetery."

Right now, the US is provoking and provoking China and Russia to a war conflict, and China and Russia are just sitting and observing. It appears that without getting in conflict, just by stopping using dollars, the US economy can fall at anytime... and if you want to play safe, you better start to take cash money from your bank, because after the falling, your withdraws will be limited.

If you need a car, buy it between these months, because after the falling you probably won't be able to afford buying one.

Eventually, if you like it or not, the falling is coming, remember, our GDP ratio is 101%, the worst in decades, the country is broke, just face it, the country is broke.

 

When did China stop producing their own coal? They own 15% of all the coal on the planet. The whole reason Clinton took his secret payoff and created the Utah Coal Lockup was to appease China and Indonesia. I bet there is $250 million sitting in a Swiss bank somewhere from a Lippo Group to Bubba and Hitlery Clintard payoff.

 

Not so sure of that.




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Look Alpha. Assuming you can actually read and absorb information, then read and absorb. An agreement was reached as previously stated and proved. The agreement was a verbal. In law, a verbal agreement is a contract. And a verbal contract can be upheld if it can be demonstrated that such a contract was entered into. In this case, the verbal contract can now be proved - despite prior denials by Baker and Genscher, both liars in this respect - by other US officials present and now by documentary evidence.

I understand why you continually try to slip a chiv into this matter, but the facts are established beyond question. Those facts are there to read by everyone and the only person trying to argue the toss is you, because you have problems with accepting reality -- you think UFO's are alien craft; a podiatrist is an expert surgeon on alien implants; and that you are a SpecForces super-hero.

Go and believe what makes your day by all means, but don't expect others to accept your fantasies are real.

This is my last comment about this particular matter with you as I have other things to do then engage in futile, repetitive arguments with the factually myopic.

 

1) NATO, along with the United States have no idea what a War is. They never faced a rival strong enough and all the US deals we've been involving into were one-way street cases.
The thing is - we don't know how powerful we are comparing to Russia or any other country.
2) The US, along with European countries and Japan knows for sure who saved the humankind from Nazi Germany.
3) Russia and the US are two superpowers that will never try to "invade" each other just because for any smart person it is clear such a war will be the end of the world.
4) Russia and Europe are suffering from the same economic problems caused by sanctions. Sanctions may not affect only Russia, market laws at work.

Do we really want Russia to be our enemy?

 

Looking to the Ukraine, it's probably safer than having them as a 'friend.'




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Since as the U.S. Economy goes so does the rest of the worlds economies there cannot allowed to be a fall.

AboveAlpha

 

This is a little off topic but……AboveAlpha…...what do you personally think of the theory that Russia…….. was using Israel…….at least since the 1970's…... to turn the Islamic nations agains the USA?

This sure made sense to me!

http://www.tldm.org/News9/RussianInfluenceOnMideast.htm

 

Of course they were.

We were doing our best to use the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan to turn it into a Soviet Vietnam and we did.

War is foolishness.

AboveAlpha

 

I watch news from Europe, and many European economists are not happy at all with the dollar. I can remember that five years ago from France the economists were looking for another standard currency. They recognized that the euro wasn't the most recognized, and returning back to gold wasn't the best idea either.

Still, they weren't happy with petro-dollars running the show. And their views have not changed.

Many countries, like third world countries, can survive any falling of the USA economically, but Europe should suffer a lot, because their banks depend of the economic health of the US.

But remember, Europe is "not the whole world", and with this globalization of the economy, many countries -even using the dollar- are not directly dependents of American and European banks.

This is like trying to come out from earth to outer space, a small spaceship can break the force of gravity -because gravity is a force and no one can deny this fact- while a body of the size of an island with powerful motors can't even float in the air for one second.

Same as well, small countries can come out of the problem faster that the greater countries under the effect or a worldwide economic pressure when falling... unless the big countries find the way to make the small ones as their slaves.

At one moment, if the dollar falls, small countries might use temporarily their own currencies for trade purposes. Don't think that they are blind, they are also watching the economic game that is played by the US, Europe, Russia, and China.

China's representatives are at this moment traveling to various countries in South America, later Africa and finally Europe. This is a start of greater economic negotiations. Watch out.

And again, The US must start a new era of production, and compete with Asian countries.

Look at the example given by Russia, and by Japan right after WW2.

Forget about climate change, because we must take care of our "economic change".

To come out of the coming economic troubles, production will make us proud, while inciting and doing wars will make us Nazis.

 

Right now there are Companies from all over the world climbing over each others backs trying to make it into the U.S. to take advantage of super cheap energy costs, the worlds largest and most complex infrastructure, the worlds largest consumer nation, the worlds largest manufacturing nation, the worlds #1 Most Educated and Productive Workforce...etc...etc.

I am not worried about the U.S. Economy.

I am worried that Putin might do something stupid that we will not be able to let pass.

AboveAlpha

 

Lie again. Putin came into power in 1999. Before he was a regular official and ex-KGB. Sometimes he had no place to live at and couldn't be regarded as any threat.
The truth is that NATO was initially made as a tool to invade. And this is the only reason. NATO was used to invade Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya etc. So don't blame Putin of your own crimes. He has his own. But the responsibility of your crimes is only yours.

The walls are never built as a tool for aggression. USSR indeed built the wall in order to defend against NATO and provocations of capitalist driven entities. Unfortunately the wall didn't help for the attacks became much smarter and sophisticated.

Lie. As a nation soviet people believed in world peace. The only people who were the target of propaganda were not the nations but capitalists. That wasn't a perfect idea, but USSR wasn't an empire of evil and it has never mistreated its neighbours just because of being a threat by itself.

The hostilities are here and now. Your military is surrounding Russia and already killing our people at our borders with the help of your puppet-states. Your navy and air bombers are at our borders where they have been all the time since the never-stopping cold war of yours. Even if you mean nuclear war - I am sure that once the Anti-missile defense is brought to our borders (no matter if that is sufficient or not) a guy like McCain would never think twice about launching nuclear rockets first and make us to retaliate... I find this situation much more possible than being stoke by lightning having won a lottery. For I see that US has these kind of people with anti-russian thinking in their government here and now. I see that your troops are around here and now. I see that your hostile against of my country are here and now. So I don't see any reason why you don't launch missiles. The White House people don't think that much about pollution and their own people. They have their money and bunkers. So they have a possibility to hope for survival and preservance of their money and power.

 

which ones and how many?

how can anyone there be stupid or even not smart enough?.. for that matter the US could be first in stupidity that they thought money can by anything.

 

The westerners and their Nazi friends in Ukraine have arranged the war on the Russian border and still are not happy. They do not trust us. I suppose they wouldn't be satisfied even if their tanks were in Kremlin in the center of Moscow. Even then they would be "suspicious" about those evil Russians. Probably Napoleon sitting in the burnt Moscow thought the same idea - oh, those disgraceful, unfair barbarians! I don't trust them!!!

 

Your surmise is flawed, I think.

The rest of the world will always find a way to trade. It always has. Power comes and goes. The sheer debt of the US means a default is inevitable in the long term, and other currencies will take over from the dollar as reserve currencies either in part of full. But it's bad news for the US hegemonic-ally, as they will be forced to turn inward rather than outward, but with their resources and land mass it'll survive okay after some pain.

But to be perfectly fair this needn't have happened. Not for a long time to come anyway. The US has committed seppuku by allowing its banking elite, out of sheer greed and abuse of power, to destroy the long term future of America. For that alone, those caretaker governments, presidents, their administrations (Bill Clinton and Dubya) and many top bankers should be held to account. A long prison term for them would do the nation wonders.

Iceland leads the way in having already partly done this.

 

It is such a relief and breath of fresh air to receive a logical and truthful reply to such a simple question.

I consider it exceptionally wise of you to include a comment admitting that we are not innocent of doing such things ourselves either!

(I quoted you over here):
http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/411162-should-america-worlds-policeman.html
Should America be the World's Policeman?

 

We make mistakes all the time.

But the difference between the United States and other Nations is we TALK ABOUT OUR MISTAKES PUBLICLY WHEN SUCH MISTAKES COME TO LIGHT!!

Everyone else denies they did such things even when evidence shows they did.

AboveAlpha

 

NATO NEVER was created for the purpose of Invading the Soviet Union.

NATO was created after the actions of the Soviet Union especially the building of the Berlin Walll and Invasion of the now Czech Republic.

The entire reason that the Soviet Union even built the Berlin Wall was SYSTEMATIC PARANOIA WITHIN ALL ASPECTS OF THE SOVIET LEADERSHIP AND MILITARY.

This was mostly because of Hitler and Stalin signing a PACT with each other and then Hitler Invading the Soviet Union.

Still....Stalin SIGNED A PACT WITH THE DEVIL HIMSELF!!!

This cannot be overlooked.

AboveAlpha

 

If Putin actually cared about the Russian People as he only cares about how much money he and his 110 former KGB, GRU, Soviet Military Brass and High Up Commies make....he would have partnered up with the U.S.

He could not steal money if he did this and that is why there is so little jobs in Russia.

A Russian/American Partnership would have raised the standard of living for average Russian's 10 fold.

AboveAlpha

 

We have made our mistakes but we can fix ours....Russia cannot....not without help....and Russia needs to be careful who to trust.

The U.S. has no need of Russian Resources....China DOES....and could place 3 Million Chinese Soldiers over the Russian Boarder so fast Russia would not have time to deal with it unless Nukes were used.

AboveAlpha

 

There was no Soviet invasion. The Soviets were asked to come help.

The US took a perfectly good country and royally (*)(*)(*)(*)ed it up. It is still a hell hole today thanks to the US.

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http://www.michaelparenti.org/afghanistan_story_untold.html

Since feudal times the landholding system in Afghanistan had remained unchanged, with more than 75 percent of the land owned by big landlords who comprised only 3 percent of the rural population. In the mid-1960s, democratic revolutionary elements coalesced to form the People’s Democratic Party (PDP). In 1973, the king was deposed, but the government that replaced him proved to be autocratic, mismanaged, and unpopular. It in turn was forced out in 1978 after a massive demonstration in front of the presidential palace, and after factions of the army intervened on the side of the demonstrators.

The military officers who took charge invited the PDP to form a new government under the leadership of Noor Mohammed Taraki, a poet and novelist. This is how a Marxist-led coalition of national democratic forces came into office. “It was a totally indigenous happening. Not even the CIA blamed the USSR for it,” writes John Ryan, a retired professor at the University of Winnipeg, who was conducting an agricultural research project in Afghanistan at about that time.

The Taraki government proceeded to legalize labor unions, and set up a minimum wage, a progressive income tax, a literacy campaign, and programs that gave ordinary people greater access to health care, housing, and public sanitation. Fledgling peasant cooperatives were started and price reductions on some key foods were imposed.

The government also continued a campaign begun by the king to emancipate women from their age-old tribal bondage. It provided public education for girls and for the children of various tribes. A report in the San Francisco Chronicle (17 November 2001) noted that under the Taraki regime Kabul had been “a cosmopolitan city. Artists and hippies flocked to the capital. Women studied agriculture, engineering and business at the city’s university. Afghan women held government jobs—-in the 1980s, there were seven female members of parliament. Women drove cars, traveled and went on dates. Fifty percent of university students were women.”

The Taraki government moved to eradicate the cultivation of opium poppy. Until then Afghanistan had been producing more than 70 percent of the opium needed for the world’s heroin supply. The government also abolished all debts owed by farmers, and began developing a major land reform program. Ryan believes that it was a “genuinely popular government and people looked forward to the future with great hope.”

But serious opposition arose from several quarters. The feudal landlords opposed the land reform program that infringed on their holdings. And tribesmen and fundamentalist mullahs vehemently opposed the government’s dedication to gender equality and the education of women and children.

Because of its egalitarian and collectivist economic policies the Taraki government also incurred the opposition of the US national security state. Almost immediately after the PDP coalition came to power, the CIA, assisted by Saudi and Pakistani military, launched a large scale intervention into Afghanistan on the side of the ousted feudal lords, reactionary tribal chieftains, mullahs, and opium traffickers.

A top official within the Taraki government was Hafizulla Amin, believed by many to have been recruited by the CIA during the several years he spent in the United States as a student. In September 1979, Amin seized state power in an armed coup. He executed Taraki, halted the reforms, and murdered, jailed, or exiled thousands of Taraki supporters as he moved toward establishing a fundamentalist Islamic state. But within two months, he was overthrown by PDP remnants including elements within the military.

It should be noted that all this happened before the Soviet military intervention. National security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski publicly admitted--months before Soviet troops entered the country--that the Carter administration was providing huge sums to Muslim extremists to subvert the reformist government. Part of that effort involved brutal attacks by the CIA-backed mujahideen against schools and teachers in rural areas.

In late 1979, the seriously besieged PDP government asked Moscow to send a contingent of troops to help ward off the mujahideen (Islamic guerrilla fighters) and foreign mercenaries, all recruited, financed, and well-armed by the CIA. The Soviets already had been sending aid for projects in mining, education, agriculture, and public health. Deploying troops represented a commitment of a more serious and politically dangerous sort. It took repeated requests from Kabul before Moscow agreed to intervene militarily.

Jihad and Taliban, CIA Style

The Soviet intervention was a golden opportunity for the CIA to transform the tribal resistance into a holy war, an Islamic jihad to expel the godless communists from Afghanistan. Over the years the United States and Saudi Arabia expended about $40 billion on the war in Afghanistan. The CIA and its allies recruited, supplied, and trained almost 100,000 radical mujahideen from forty Muslim countries including Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Algeria, and Afghanistan itself. Among those who answered the call was Saudi-born millionaire right-winger Osama bin Laden and his cohorts.

 

your mistakes are so monstrous, you choose rather talk them away than sort out and fix.

no paranoia at all. USSR was only responding to the West's anti-Soviet stance.

signing agreements with any of Western leaders is akin to dealing with The Devil himself, be it with Hitler or Reagan or Thatcher or Obama, all the same.

it is not about money, and never have been in history of mankind; it's all about control over spheres of influence around the world, not money, which is only a minor tool used on small occasions.

you mean team up with thieves like the US to not steal money?.. for that matter it is the US who print dollars unsupported with any value and force others pay for this.

there's a plenty of jobs in Russia right now, which indicates underemployment.

yeah, and would have made us pay for it like you Americans do - numerous taxes and tolls. Russians have never been slaves and never will be; so, go it all alone, my American friend, a slave to The Tax Department.

 

The USA created NATO to destroy the USSR.in 1968 on border of Czechoslovakia, new war, NATO against the USSR and the countries of the Warsaw pact could begin. The USA in 1968 made a Maidan in Czechoslovakia as in Ukraine... (troops of NATO wanted to attack the USSR) only people of Czechoslovakia didn't support a small group of bandits - in their capital city. The Soviet army neutralized a provokers. Inhabitants on suburbs met Soviet with flowers. Country of the Warsaw pact were equal, and together made all decisions. The freak and the traitor Gorbachev destroyed this organization. After elimination of the countries of the Warsaw pact which constrained NATO, the USA launched many wars not only in around the world but also in Europe.

 

I know, that this strange interpretation of sowjet militaric coup in Praha 1968 is not your own invention, but modern style in Russia. In russian anti-western probaganda I might even understand, if you would classify Berlin 1953 or the repeated Polish uprises in this way.

Praha was not an uprise or a revolution but a reform, made by the czechoslovakian government, that led to more individual freedom in CSSR.
Only after the russian tanks occupied the streets of Praha, the well knows szenes with civil defense were seen.

But the theme goes deeper:

That action was done by the USSR and according to the Breshenew Doctrine nearly 50 years ago. But if the current Russia defends it today, it will also be seen as theirs.

I think, this is one of the greatest stupidities and for me is a clear signal that no longer foreign policy is operated by Putin, which focuses on understanding the Russian concern by others, but an outwardly facing form of nationalistic domestic politics.

Czech Republic - a country I know myself fairly well due to proximity and rudimentary language skills - used to be (as opposed to, for example, Poland) one of the few countries in Central Europe, where the people (especially the over 50 years aged) are neutral or even positive about Russia.
Historically, the Czech-Russian relationship is positive - WW1, no tangle USSR in Munich Agreement, no division by Hitler-Stalin as in Poland, no loss of territory to USSR to WW2 (concerning the Czech Republic.).
Even the takeover of communism in 1948 was more accepted than in other warsaw pact states.

The events of 1968, were attributed to the "communists" that accepted no reformed socialism ala Dubček, and were largely hidden. But if Russia justifies them now, it generates unnecessarily antipathy, an approach that you can only mention as irresponsible.

So the foreign policy foundations are damaged irresponsibly, just to collect a few nationalistic points domestically. The political competence of Moscow in my opinion meanwhile exeeded the level of no-intelligence-polititian GWB.

 

The empire of evil of the USA justifies nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki which were 70 years ago. If Soviet someone was knocked a little on a bum in Czechoslovakia, and the West constantly reproaches with it Russians. But if Russia justifies them now, it generates unnecessarily antipathy. What kind off antipathy the USA have to cause and what to do with their irresponsibility?

PS: Russia already bothered to justify. Russia as one thousand years had the territory of permafrost, and has it now. Great Britain and the USA made colonies almost whole world with excellent climate and now climb to the Russian world.