Russia on the brink of collapse

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  1. sharik

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    who told you the conditions were exactly that?

    where from you got these numbers for killed and no survivors?
     
  2. Kiwi33

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    he took these numbers from comics book :angel:
     
  3. AboveAlpha

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    Russia'sEconomy has recovered slightly because the U.S. and Canada stopped completely flooding the worlds Oil Markets.

    We could very easily do this again....but the first time we did it it became apparent that Putin would rather allow the average Russian Family to suffer than stop his stupidity in the Ukraine.

    There will be a price to pay.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Unsurprisingly, a completely back to front analysis.

    Firstly, Russia was set in for a long duel over oil and had set up other avenues for its exportation via bartering deals and shown Europe two fingers also by cancelling the South Stream pipeline. Additionally, Russia will no longer sell oil and gas for US dollars. Hence the petrodollar is now seriously threatened. So in the long term, it is the US that has shot itself in the foot, due to allowing its conservative elite to manipulate US foreign policy in Ukraine for desired short term gains (which it has lost) over long term security.

    I don't believe the US would do it again. John Kerry having to go to Sochi to meet Putin at the recent summit - Sochi being highly symbolic for Putin as that was the place where he was when the US triggered their coup in Ukraine - amply demonstrates, to my mind, that the US wanted this meeting more than Putin did and were prepared to kowtow to get it. Things have changed.

    But I agree there will be a price to pay. But it is the US who will ultimately pay it by virtue of forcing Russia, China and other nations to escape the onerous requirements of doing business in US dollars and, instead, they have built a new world economic infrastructure that will bypass US influence via a new reserve currency.

    In every respect, I think, the US has lost badly.
     
  5. AboveAlpha

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    In what way?

    The U.S. and Canada will be 100% ENERGY SELF SUFFICIENT by 2023...it was supposed to be 2025 but the Crimea issue rushed things.

    China has been burned by the Russian's several times as China gave Russia over $70 Billion after China requested a large increase in the amount of Oil Russia sells to China from the Oil Fields in Eastern Siberia....as there is a pipeline out of this area and an extention that was built that pumps the Oil right into China.

    Russia told China after this Export in Oil Increase that Russia did not have the money to pay for more Drilling Rigs and extra Pumping Stations so China gave Russia $70 Billion up front FREE just to increse Oil Production.

    Now the vast amount of Oil and Natural Gas exists in Western Siberia not Eastern but China gave Russia the Money....and that was China's first mistake.

    After Putin and his former Commie and KGB Buddies STOLE THEIR SHARES....there was not enough money left to set up even 1/6th the number of Oil Rigs and pumping stations thus years later China is saying.....WHERE THE HELL IS OUR OIL!!??

    To make things worse Russia demanded that China sign a contract that forces China to pay $120 a Barrel for this Eastern Siberian Oil.

    China....knowing that both the U.S. which is now the #1 Exporter of Shale Oil and Canada which is the #1 Exorter of Sand Tar Oil will only get bigger and bigger in our Export Business as the current estimates have NORTH AMERICA as having with Shale, Sand Tar and Liquid Oil reserves equal to 6.1 TIMES THE TOTAL OIL RESERVES IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!

    The U.S. already and has been for a long time the #1 Exporter of Coal as the U.S. has the worlds largest Coal Reserves.

    Why would CHINA continue to purchase Russian Oil at $120 a Barrel when they can buy Oil from the U.S. and Canada at $50 to $60 a Barrel??

    Since it is estimated that in 2015 80% of Russia's Economy will be due to energy exports....the loss of Chinese Oil Purchasing would be a major blow to the Russian Economy.

    There is NO WAY IN HELL.....China will continue to pay $120 a barrel for Russian Oil especially after how Putin and his Buddies stole most of that $70 Billion China gave then to increase Oil Production and Exports to China.

    Gasoline only cost right now $2.39 a Gallon in the U.S.....combined with a multitude of Companies from all over the world fighting each other to get in to the U.S. and set up factories to take advantage of cheap energy prices as well as have at their access the Worlds #1 MOST PRODUCTIVE WORKER....U.S. Citizen.....the #1 in the World INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM....as well as the U.S. being the #1 Economy and the #1 in the word Consumer Nation.....such Investing Companies do not have far to ship the majority of their products.

    Estimated U.S. GNP or Economic Incease.....from it's current $17.7 Trillion to $24.3 Trillion by 2023.

    And remember....by 2023....both the United States and Canada WILL BE COMPLETELY ENERY SELF SUFFICIENT!!!

    We will not be buying energy of any kind from anyone!!!

    The U.S. and Canada will however become MAJOR OIL EXPORTING GIANTS....and the amount of Coal China buy's from the U.S. which is already the most in the world...will increase by 3 to 5 Times current demand.

    If you see this as a LOSS for the U.S.....I think you might be looking at Russia and mistakin the two!! LOL!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    In ways you never consider cogitating about, Alpha. Empires usually die by their own hand.

    Source
     
  7. cameron

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    No only that from above.

    You go to a "share mp3" music in a Russian website and you can download free music directly from the host without any requirement of download additional software.

    Plus, in every "free mp3 music" from the US, besides of requirements of subscriptions, almost all of them will send you viruses and Trojan invasion.


    Even for downloading of programs, some Russian websites are free of cost, and practically most of them are free of invasive software, free of trouble, something completely different from their similar US based websites.

    Incredible!
     
  8. cameron

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    In the 60's, the Soviet Union made lots of programs for children. Several known worldwide stories for children were "adapted" for the Russian society.

    One of the most curious and interesting work was "Puss in Boots" Russian version.

    The story runs the same as the original writing. But, at the time of the giving of gifts to the king of the story, the scenario turns funny and very realistic.

    In this part the plot shows the king tired of eating can food. There are tens of servants making a line and walking to the king's long table serving can food, this is to say, can beans, can corn, can fruits, can juice, can milk, in other words, a representation of the "American diet" (read: culture).

    Then, the cat in boots showed up with a fresh chicken in his hand to be cooked and served to the king. This part represents the Soviet Union diet (read: culture). The king felt so happy of tasting cooked fresh chicken and so forth.

    No doubt that besides of laughable, the Soviets found the way in providing a healthy doctrine to their children making films for this purpose.

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    By the way, and this is another interesting issue that can't be ignored.

    Astronauts who go to the outer space and stay for about six months must be returned back to earth, because their health deteriorates very fast.

    Symptoms are the same, a 40 years old astronaut returns back to earth with osteoporosis of a 70 years old person, it shows low levels of red cells production in the blood, disorientation, distortion of the body when exposed to low gravity, health complications by lots... and recently with a special camera it has been detected that the heart becomes round and spherical when exposed to low gravity in the spaceship.

    All these complications are the REAL impediment for a travel to planet Mars. And for this reason, NASA has sent a volunteer who will stay for a year in outer space, in order to check how possible will be a year traveling to Mars.

    Well, so far, thanks to the diet that Russians have since childhood, plus their discipline to do physical exercises in the Space Station, when they return back to earth, they walk.

    On the other hand, our astronauts, who -since they were children- were fed with the "American diet" which includes pizza with fake cheese, sodas, fries, and lots of food with additives and artificial flavoring and more, our astronauts have to be transported in wheelchairs after their return.

    Plus, our astronauts must be in recovery for a period of up to two years after their return.

    Thanks to the internet, the information of all these curiosities can be accessed by anyone in the world.
     
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    It is not true. You can register for example - https://vk.com and listen to any music online for free. But if you want to - you can download. It is also absolutely free. You can also watch a lot of feature films from around the world for free. But for you will have one drawback - the movies in Russian.
     
  10. cameron

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    Something that has not been updated in the information from above is that China and Russia are not using dollars anymore for transactions between these two countries.

    These two countries understood that using their own currencies might cause an "apparent higher cost" of goods, but they know that eventually the market will catch up and prices will be weight by a different standard.

    Their strategy is working, because these two countries still building up everywhere... while the US -in order to survive- is doing no more than destroying around with its army.

    While China and Russia are exporting goods to the world, the US is dedicated to create puppy democratic governments which will be used for to be against China and Russia.

    Two different strategies, lets see what will be the result in a few years.
     
  11. willburroughs

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    They attacked a military base of a country that they were not at war with. And the U.S. 'interference' was a direct result of Japanese war aggression and atrocity. But hey, if you want to somehow keep defending them in this matter knock yourself out. The simple fact is, they picked a fight, and got their azses beat.
     
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    Why would it be 'unsuitable for centuries'. The last time I was in Hiroshima, it was flourishing nicely
     
  13. lunecat

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    Hi sharik

    Well I had been under the impression that you had been replying to my post where I gave a link to the "A forgotten odyssey". here is the link. It is in 5 parts & this web link gives you all 5 parts


    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJFDAXWRg5yYfa4yOa9EeFIHSgmzWOu4C

    There is testomany from several Polish nations in the documentary, pictures of the result of the starvation conditions inflicted upon then, Admittedly in the documentary some Poles admit that there were some kind Russians that shared food with them. But the Russian state was ultimately responsible for the extermination of 900,000 Pollsh citizens exported from their homeland between 1939-40.

    It may be hard for you to accept these as facts, possibly due to some kind of Nationalistic pride & media propaganda that denies these facts, but if you do some more research you will see these facts are true.


    As a British Citizen I fully accept the burden of shame of my nations crimes against many nations of the World, as should Russia & the USA. None of us are purer than the snow. But we have to accept these faults & challenge our Governments not to repeat these crimes in the name of our Nations.
     
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    Russia is nothing to be ashamed of. Britain and the United States - yes. Genocide and crimes against humanity is the history of Britain and the United States. Russia has never committed genocide.
    In addition, we know how to make the propaganda of the Western media. For example Why is silent about the downed over ukraine Boeing? Where the Red Army in Ukraine? And so on. Only false calls.. Who has a brain - can not believe the Western media.
    MOD EDIT - Rule 2 Remember how recently they were shouting about what Russian guilty the crash with their president. And only after a few years it became clear - drunken Polish leaders blame yourself.
    Links to western historical sources - mauvais ton, as the French say. (Remember how Western historians spread lies about the number of victims during the reign of Stalin?)
    I noticed that the west is encouraged only one form of racism - Russophobia.
     
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    that's right, yes i had; and since when a documentary can serve as the evidence?.. documentaries are made for propaganda purpose, not search for the truth.
     
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    [Цитата=Разрушитель иллюзий;1065040868]России нечего стыдиться. Великобритания и Соединенные Штаты - да. Геноцид и преступления против человечества-это история Великобритании и Соединенных Штатов. Россия никогда не совершала геноцида. Кроме того, мы знаем, как сделать пропаганду западных СМИ. Например, почему молчит о сбитом над Украиной Боинг? Где Красной Армии в Украине? И так далее. Только ложные вызовы.. Кто имеет мозг - можете не верить западным СМИ. в[цвет="#часть FF0000"]мод "правка" - правило 2[/Цвет][/Б] помню как недавно они кричали о том, что русские виновны в аварии с их президентом. И только спустя несколько лет стало ясно - пьяные польские лидеры винить себя. Ссылки на западные исторические источники - моветон, как говорят французы. (Помните, как западные историки распространяют ложь о количестве жертв во времена Сталина?) Я заметил, что на Западе поощряется только одна из форм расизма - Русофобия.[/Цитата]

    Here's proof of Russian involvement in the war against Ukraine,this is your soldiers
    https://youtu.be/qIUaNjp7bpo
    As Russia has nothing to be ashamed of?And the Holodomor in Ukraine in the 1930s?And the infamous Katyn shot poles?And the current aggression of Russia against Ukraine?

    the U.S. is the world's guarantor of security,they certainly nothing to be ashamed of.
     
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    If Ukrainians Kiev power and who support it, don't improve the friendly relations with Russians, Ukraine will be in a poor and military state many years. Like it was many times in the Ukrainian history. In Ukraine the fertile earth, on it the food for army will be enough. Only for army. To Russia no need - the neigbour country, Russophobic Ukraine. On it is Russia helped Donbass and will help in the future. Now Russia helps this region financially and sending humanitarian aid (about 30 big escorts) of the Russian army in these territories isn't present. Now the Ukrainian mass media propagandize - about TWO (in a year) the Russian soldiers who allegedly are at war in Ukraine. When there is no documents it not the proof. Possibly it is prisoners from Donbass. After tortures, they can tell anything. Anyway, if civil war in Ukraine doesn't stop and the West will deliver in large quantities the weapon for Poroshenko, Russia will deliver in large quantities the weapon to Donbass. Many wishing volunteers to go will be always at war to Ukraine and from Ukraine and from all corners of the earth.( to help Both side for the Ukrainian army and for Donbass too) Generally, until Ukrainians cease to propagandize russophobia, in Ukraine there will be a war and poverty.

    PS: For last year Ukraine got to the Guinness Book of Records. The Ukrainian president the maniac - Poroshenko, grew up his private means (income) seven times. But at the simple people of Ukraine, a salary decreased by 7 times. In one year. Such record, in world history wasn't yet.
     
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    When the western historians talk about numbers, not important what - these always increase numbers (Famine-Genocide, repressions, losses of red army, GULAG, the raped Germans etc.) - one million, two, some millions and never when they consider, isn't present disputes on the small number. Strange truth. Because to these historians there are orders - to find as much as possible victims from the Soviet power. Well for historians it good job and good pay.
     
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    hi
    Russia should not make us aggression and pick up as to encroach on our territory.
    We have the right to fight for our land and sovereignty.

    https://youtu.be/qIUaNjp7bpo is Russian soldiers,and Russia recognized it,but what if they're on vacation,but it's a lie.
    These soldiers cried that Russia betrayed them and abandoned them.

    Now,after the revolution,Poroshenko has no alternative

    I support the movement of Ukraine towards the West.
     
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    Or invent.
    And then begins the propaganda. (Western people can not read the sources. TV replaces the head)

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    Very funny. Why do you think that this Russian military? If a journalist says that he Obama - you too will believe him? Do you believe around? How many times Ukrainian President called cancellation period of visas in the EU? But you continue to believe ... Very funny.

    Photos - The real prospects for Ukraine.

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    Bred on the Holodomor in which to blame the Soviet Union understood many times on this forum. In Holodomor ethnically - no one believes.
    Especially funny - most shout about Holodomor western Ukrainians. And accused Stalin. The famine was in 1932-1933. But the "Western Ukraine became part of the USSR in 1939. Here is a feeble-mindedness in western Ukrainians.
    Katyn. International Court of Justice rejected the claims the Poles (about Katyn) - to Russia. About Russian involvement to the shooting of the Poles, only a madman can believe.
    It is quite another - "Volyn massacre" or "Babi Yar."
    The Red Army in Ukraine - it is the next delusional. You can show a man who says he killed Kennedy for example - you also believe in this?
    Feeble-mindedness Ukrainian President showed the cover of Russian passports - so what? The whole world is laughing at him.
     
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    Very funny. Why do you think that this Russian military? If a journalist says that he Obama - you too will believe him? Do you believe around? How many times Ukrainian President called cancellation period of visas in the EU? But you continue to believe ... Very funny.
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    I believe because these soldiers are called surnames,the number of the part which hosted services,also they have a pure Russian accent,they Lily tears from disappointment that Russia has abandoned them.
    You show your stupidity by insulting another state this photo,don't you think?
     
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    You spoke- you have the right to fight for our land and sovereignty. Also you speak - you support the movement of Ukraine towards the West. It not sovereignty. Sovereingty when you not movement to West not to Russia, but you build independent Ukraine. You want towards to the West, the West will dictate you what you must to do (give you his rules) Good it or not it is other question. In other words, you want that Washington or Brussels make rule for you. It will be so better for you to life. But already whole year you was rule by Washington and in Ukraine 50 000 people were lost! The EU - which operates from Brussels, for one a year, made nothing good for you! Goods from Ukraaina in the EU aren't necessary. All of them deceived you. It is the fact. Nevertheless, not all Ukrainians as you want go to the West. It fact too.

    PS. I already spoke about these two soldiers, I don't see sense to repeat. not important who they are, I hope the fascist Poroshenko don't shoot them.
     
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    Russian accent? very ridiculously. Almost all Ukraine speaks Russian language with the Russian accent :roflol:
     

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