Russian arrested in Spain 'over US election hacking'

Otay. Good debate.

 

If he won in such a landslide, why is he currently losing so much?

Aren't you tired of losing yet?

 

No election was hacked. It makes one "feel" that votes were changed at the booth. No such thing occurred.

 

I keep saying this.

I still don't see the importance of the election campaign being hacked and what that really means.

Have they got a lead on whether the votes were rigged or hacked.

thinking about it further. maybe and hopefully this investigation will lead to vote tampering, and end the 2017 hangover.

I feel like 2016 was one big orgy, we wake up the next morning next to someone we would've never slept with.

 

Russia launched a massive effort to influence the election, including the use of hacking specific organizations and people for one party, but no hacking of actual votes. If you don't like the phrase, "hacking the election" and would prefer another phrase, then feel free.

 

At least I think you will not leave in the mass exodus of dems once they find out there is no evidence to support this ruse. This is worse than the tin foil hatters and their far out theories on the 911 attacks, and ranks right behind the Flat Earth Conspiracy. It strains the credibility to believe the ruse, especially given contrary voices were blacked out in MSM. Smells like a domestic, illegal, CIA operation to me at worse, or at best a historical, precedent dirty tricks political game run by confidence men. With help of felonious leaking and a yellow journalistic endeavors. It has been a collusion between the Democrats and MSM, just like some colluded in helping Hillary beat sanders in the primaries.

This is what the critical thinking non partisan more astute intellects see. Which puts us in a rarified group of people, the Einsteins of politics. We need a role call here to see just how many rational, reasonable, logical, people that we have on this forum. I know of a couple more, but there are probably more than that, but my guess is, less than 10 percent. Which may reflect the same percentage in the general population.

I used to think the clueless were intentional, but now I am beginning to think it is just what they believe, arrived at by the absence of what is found in our very elite rarified group. Real intelligence. Yet I am truly dismayed by our small numbers. It is dangerous for what we have left of our republic. It threatens it.

 

Yes indeed.

 

You may be pulling your gun just a bit too fast. You are anxious that they find some evidence fast. You place your fervent hope that this is more than another non state actor from Russia who hacks to steal money. My money says, the DNC and Hillary's private server were hacked by many people. including the state of Russia, china, the UK, and Israel. Perhaps even Iran. And then non state actors from eastern Europe, criminals. Yet out of all of these state hackers and non state actors, the claim is, the Russian state were the ones who turned these hacks over to wilkileaks. Which is supposedly HOW they tried to affect our election. So instead of doing like us, where we just break international law and physically with great loss of lives, remove a foreign leader, and getting a puppet in place, Russia is accused of affecting our election by revealing nothing but the truth, in the words of the democrats who committed banana republic behavior. Then the next allegations go much farther, this Russian state hacking worked in collusion with the trump campaign. What they would have colluded with one another on is, I guess, the timing of the release with the first installment occurring right before the Dem Convention. But of course since Wilkileaks chose when to release them, there must also be collusion of trump with wilkileaks. So now we have 3 actors in the conspiracy. All worked together to decide when the leaks were published. When you added assange in the conspiracy, which would have to be done, the allegations became far fetched, edging into utter intellectual absurdity. Yet the hatred of folks towards trump, blinds them to the obvious. And so this dude in Spain just gave them hope against hope, that finally there is evidence of Russians, even if this guy is your typical criminal Russian hacker. Who works in his own self interests, not Russia's. Well, at least he is Russian, right? Ha ha.

The problem with this conspiracy theory is that it was just too far fetched and incredible from the get-go. When Craig Murray said it came from a DC insider and not a Russian, and was blacked out in MSM, once the story broke in the UK, and when John McAfee said that the evidence shown of the malware, means it was not the Russian state, for it used malware sold on the Dark Net, and not what a sophisticated state actor would use,with MSM once again blacking him out. So some attempting to present only one side of the story. This is a huge red flag, at least to critical thinkers, and keeps them out of the crowd who voice such certainty that their allegations just have to be true. That the guy lives in spain and not Moscow, is troubling, for he was not working in the section of Russian intel who hack for secrets.

 

That is encouraging, this map. For it shows us where the people live who were fine with the DNC banana republic, corrupt, anti democratic behavior and actions. And while their numbers exceed those that voted for trump and change, we have almost as many people , far more widespread, that refused to vote for such people who don't belong in this gov't. Crooks, anti democratic and rottenly corrupted.

 

I would like to see a map of how the independents voted. That would be telling.

Because every single blue precinct on that map is made up of blacks or spanish folks or illegal immigrants. They simply are of one mind (pardon the reference) and ALWAYS will vote democrat. Throw in the other illegal votes and it's even more of a swing for Dems. During the 2012 election there were around 50 precincts in Philadelphia where the final vote count showed 19,000+ votes for Obama and ZERO for Romney. Zero! What are the odds?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/p...voting_wards__Mitt_Romney_got_zero_votes.html

 

You linked something vaguely describing at a high level how intelligence agencies would undertake an investigation into potential cyber attack which included several facets involving actual inspection of the attack. Considering you passed it off as having value, I challenged the merit of the evidential value if it was not based upon an actual inspection of the server.

 

IMO, loyalty to this nation doesn't include lockstep agreement with propaganda meant to turn Russia into an enemy and gain support for military conflict.

 

It keeps the people facing the enemy over there, not the corrupt DNC right here.

 

How does one "hack" an election when many states do not have voting machines that access the internet?

 

thank you russian citizen. as i said before, trump supporters no longer can question even liberals about the us

 

I think all of you Russian conspiracy folks are being used. I am a noninterventionist libertarian. I don't want a conflict with anyone.

 

Oh I do. I refer to it as an exposure of Hillary. Unfortunately, you and others, keep pushing the hacking the election fake headline. You go ahead and talk about the Hillary angle for all I care, thing is, I'm the exact voter your side needs to keep in power. I'm a registered independent.

Btw, from the BBC article in the OP:

However, Agence France-Presse news agency quoted a source close to the matter in Washington as saying that Mr Levashov's detention was "not tied to anything involving allegations of Russian interference with the US election".

See how it's worded there? Russian interference with the election. That's a way better way to refer to what happened, if that's what happened.

 

no doubt the fbi agrees with you

 

Ok, you are free to refer to it as "Russian interference with the election." I personally have no qualms phrasing it as "hacking the election."

 

Actually, this arrest might be a big deal. Let's see if he survives and makes it to court. RT, also a Trump supporter , has reported several comments by his wife.

 

some people cannot get around the reality of dirty politics, let alone their preconceived notion only one side does it, and anyone not toeing theirs, is immoral

 

and failed. They did not influence the results and Trump would still be the 45th President of the United States, even if the Russians didn't hack the DNC and expose them and their efforts to rig the primaries.

 

Trump is the 45th President (coincidentally that's where his "landslide" ranks in terms of electoral college margin of victory - the question that you didn't want to answer) by a combined 70,000 votes across three States. Whether the massive influence effort by Russia - from hacking and releasing private communications from within the DNC, from Clinton's campaign manager and refusing to do the same with Trump or the GOP to employing a massive army of online trolls to push false stories, disinformation, and promote Trump - actually resulted in a changed vote for some individuals is very much a reasonable question for debate.

 

Sorry, highly unlikely. They are now investigating if he (Trump) cheated to win since the influence and interference is already an accepted fact in the IC. Once the investigation wraps up, the pieces will be in place to prove or disprove. Either way, Putin has a darn good hand.

 

And you would be promoting something false. No election was hacked.