Russia's Government talks about Release of E.T. data.

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  1. DennisTate

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    As I live…….. the stage will soon be set for the Orthodox Jewish community to rebuild their Jerusalem Third TEmple. (I can't promise you that I will stay alive for all that long though……. but…… I have seen some strange things since 1990….. that indicates that I just might)?!

    The one who told my wife that I was going to be her husband…….. told her that I would tell her the riddle that was in her name…… On that note…. I will drop you a personal one!
     
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    I never heard of Azazel, so I really can't comment on that. But in one of the articles I read, I think they cited some of Ezekiel where some of that very well could be describing ET's and their vehicles.

    I do not think you are wrong, there are always possibilities. Some possibilities are greater than others. But time is an interesting subject. I am working on a short story, one of my hobbies is writing although I am not very good at it. The title is "Time is not always Linear." So I am very open to that theory.

    I will say this, depending on the subject, issue, theory or possibility, the door to my mind is never totally closed.
     
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    Thanks, but it was a joke.
     
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    Alpha knows I can remember the B52's. Growing up in Quebec next door we would go skiing and if you drove in Vermont,NH, upstate New Work there they were. They seemed so big especially on take off. It was a strange time realizing those massive lumbering jets had lethal cargo.

    One time Alpha which is what got me interested in UFO's I saw an RCAF CF!00 but I could swear along with it a USAF 102A flying very very low up in
    the Laurentians. I swear it was a 102A interceptor. RCAF were using the Canucks and Starfighters/widow makers.. Maybe they were doing Norad training but it was unusual to see that and I could swear they were chasing this tiny speck of a disc, very tiny like mercury that reflected the sun but it moved real jagged like a skipping stone on water, it was going slow then suddenly a jig and a jag its gone the jets are gone. I was very young. Maybe it was only a training exercise and a reflection off a jet or a bird- but I could swear they were chasing it.

    I appreciate some of the stuff I have seen up North may have been quite explainable phenomena. That one always sticks with me.It was when I started questioning. I was around 7. Lemay I remember. Oh I read a speech from him. Man you talk about a man who hated communism. Yeesh. That era with him Barry Goldwater and the duck and cover and the test that would always come on US tv with the early warning system. Hard to believe how tense it was with the Ruskies. Seems we have gone full circle.
     
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    Ahhhhhh!!!!

    The Convair F-102 "Delta Dagger" was a product of the ensuing Cold War years following the close of World War 2 in which jet technology and aerodynamics advanced to all new tiers. As such, development of evermore powerful and streamlined aircraft ensued giving rise to one of the more exciting periods of military aviation. One of the primary threats to both Western Europe and United States interests remained the long range, nuclear-capable bombers of the Soviet Union to which "interceptors" were developed in response. The interceptor was built on the concept of pure speed and engaged aerial targets with missiles at range using complex computer fire control systems (FCS). The F-102 served as a deterrent for such enemies during its early tenure while eventually evolving to a limited ground attack mount by the time of the Vietnam War. Used by less than a handful of nations worldwide, the F-102 served just over 20 years before being formally retired from service. While sharing a undeniable appearance to the upcoming F-106 "Delta Dart", the F-102 was more of an interim interceptor design until the original project goals were fulfilled in the F-106.

    The F-104 Starfighter was a true Interceptor and super aerodynamic but it's small wing setup was not conductive to hold large bombs.

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    I also used to see some incredible things flying.

    Craft that I could not identify up close say 1000 feet up.

    I understand that many of these craft were Highly Advanced USAF Aircraft.

    But some of them.....well if they had Human Pilots in them the instant super high velocities and imposible course changes they made....would have killed those pilots.

    The U.S. and Canada have an INTEGRATED SINGULAR MILITARY even though they are two seperate Nations....but not really as just about every Canadian and American knows.

    The two Nations basically exist as one.

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    ARe you suggesting that the government of Canada is a ruse?
    Please explain how they are one nation.
     
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    He's talking about NORAD to start with. He's referring to things like the old DEW line, satellite and intelligence sharing, border security, the mutual reciprocity agreement between he IRS and Revenue Canada, DEA and FBI liaison with RCMP, close relations between large city police forces, the air,sea, rescue treaties, the exchange of fire fighters for forest fires, exchange of municipal workers when hydro goes down, on and on.

    The defence systems have been integrated since the early 60's and grass roots sharing of public service. Then he's referring to free trade and the fact
    80% of our economy is integrated.

    He is not saying Canada does not exist he is referring to the intergrated information networks. In many practical ways we are one nation. NORAD is the
    real thing he was referring to. I got what he meant. At one point the US armed forces was prepared when there was turmoil in Quebec with the FLQ. It was no secret for people along the Vermont to know National Guard at one point was on high alert. That's just what civilians know. Behind the scenes the US and Canada are interconnected by an elaborate satellite system. We both share a border with the Russians and have the same security concerns.
     
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    I suspect I saw some training Alpha but hey the rest I just smile back at you and leave it at that. All I know is I am glad I have limited knowledge.I know guys who got certain briefings, their hair turned colour, they aged fast man. I don't envy the secrets they carry to the grave. . :flagus: :flagcanada:

    I believe what we need to know will find us and reveal itself when we are ready. I just don't think most are ready yet Alpha. I am not naïve but I think its not the time yet. Maybe before we die, but who knows.
     
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    Thank you for answering his question for me.

    You understand in a way he never could.

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    We still have people in the U.S. Bible Belt area that think the Earth is THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE!!

    Imagine how they would react to the REALITY OF E.T.???

    No...they are not even CLOSE to being ready.

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    Who believes the Earth is the Center of the Universe?

    Do you know where the center of the universe is since you have stated that the universe is finite?
     
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    Here.....this is a very good LINK to a source that explains.....HUBBLE'S LAW. Edwin Hubble found that galaxies appear to fly away from us in all directions. The farther a galaxy, on average, the faster it recedes: this is Hubble’s Law.

    Where is the Center of the Universe?
    November 6, 2012 by Brian Ventrudo

    In the 1920’s, Edwin Hubble found that galaxies appear to fly away from us in all directions. The farther a galaxy, on average, the faster it recedes: this is Hubble’s Law. We now know that receding galaxies are caused by an expanding universe, a universe which began in a Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago and has been expanding ever since. But it seems odd, does it not, that galaxies recede in all directions from our point of view? Does this mean we’re at the center of the universe? And if we’re not, then where is the center of the universe, the place where the Big Bang happened?


    In our everyday experience, all explosions, whether a firecracker or a supernova, have a center from which they expand outward into space. We can see the effect of the explosion in the form of hot gas and light moving outward from a central point. But the Big Bang was not an explosion IN space. It was an explosion OF space! According to the physics as we now understand it, there was no space, matter, energy, or time before the Big Bang. Because the Big Bang was everything, it happened everywhere. Observation seems to bear this out. On a very large scales, there is no motion or distribution of galaxies that suggest a center in the universe, or any privileged point where matter flows to or from.

    There is much more go to the website.

    LINK....http://oneminuteastronomer.com/6949/where-is-the-center-of-the-universe/

    AboveAlpha
     
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    I actually know all that stuff. Doesn't answer my question. But it does suggest an infinite universe.
     
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    The Universe is expanding yes....but we can see to it's actual EDGE in all directions.

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    actually that is the observable universe....it is infinite.
     
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    If it was INFINITE....we would not be OBSERVING EXPANSION VIA DARK ENERGY!!

    Thus via Logic the Universe in FINITE.

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    Now prove it, because you haven't done that yet.
     
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    Which implies the invention, creation, beginning of four dimensional space - time at some definite point in time in the past.

    This would tend to fit with the idea that life and intelligence began in a more fundamental form of energy and the lower dimensions evolved or were created much later on.

    From what I have read of the paranormal, it seems that evil, warfare, injustice, greed and such emotions did not enter the picture until after....... the evolution and/or creation of four dimensional space - time.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...ichard-eby-verifies-old-earth-gap-theory.html

    NDE of Dr. Richard Eby verifies old earth and gap theory.
     
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    Wow!!!!!

    I think that you will enjoy page one of this discussion:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/humor...2000-election-but-negates-global-dimming.html

    In alternate time line Mr. Gore wins the 2000 election but negates Global Dimming....

    I personally loved the film "An Inconvenient Truth." I have watched it four or five times at least. It played a huge role in my deciding to join a political party that takes climate change very seriously.

    Largely due to his film I actually put in two submissions for The Virgin Earth Challenge.

    I do have one criticism for his film though..... the diplomacy quotient was extremely low and America is more divided than ever partly because of the flavor of his film. .....

    .......

    .....Could a win by Mr. Al Gore in 2000 have led to America being 15% submerged under the oceans by January 1, 2013?

    Time does look like a menorah....... or tree with branches and roots... … and is not confined to being a straight line...…

    In theory....... Mr. Gore's policy could have ended up greatly decreasing the Global Dimming Effect..... at the same time that it might do little to reduce a general Global Warming trend.... which could lead to rapid warming.....and of course increased cracking and sliding on the land based Greenland Ice Pack.... the world's glaciers and the outer regions of Antarctica......

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper and President Bush may have deliberately allowed somewhat bad policy to continue...… because they probably had been told that the factors that increase Global Dimming..... do tend to mask Global Warming.... .which could mean within five decades we may know that that they may have had a basically good idea..... in comparison to worst possible alternative.....??????!!!

    http://www.baproducts.com/chetmap.htm

    Dr Chet Snow's Earth Change Map

     
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    Yes....... this tendency for even the most physically fit pilot to black out at Extreme Gravity has allowed for some intriguing research.........…

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers06.html

    The Trigger of Extreme Gravity: Dr. James Winnery's NDE Research
     
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    Karma the theory Apha refers to does not rule out anything. Don't let the word finite as he uses it correctly from that theory make you misunderstand it as an absolute concept that rules out anything else. That's as far as I can explain it. The theory he is referring to refers to the edge of the movement we see moving-it does not define what MIGHT be beyond the edge because beyond the edge is a paradox because it could be anything that necessarily makes it nothing-its a concept hard to grasp-infinite is really a faith doctrine since we don't know how to define infinite-its an assumption we can never see and end to something but the fact we can't define infinite doesn't mean when we say finite, infinite is not what we are faced with in continuously adjusting where the edge will move.

    For something to exist outside our fishbowl or bubble so to speak and to assume it did and always did and we exploded within it is a huge assumption.

    We assume our explosion moves outwords from the central point-that assumption all things emanate from the centre is an abstract concept used for the sake of starting the measurement we observe- the big bang so to speak starts movement in all directions yes, so it appears as a centre but again this is a bit over my head the fact that things move in all directions from one what appears to be fixed point doesn't mean the fixed point is actually centered let alone as perfectly centered as it appears-all we can do is measure how far the edge is from what appears to be where it originated-there are tremendous efforts to recreate the big bang or the God particle so to speak and again I defer to Alpha or others, but it gets so unstable trying to
    predict or recreate what you think is the central point at best all we can do is sort of create a negative-positive resistance and then measure the wave that then comes out of it. That friction of resistance is really very hard to call a centre or anything. It appears to be like a spark coming out of the dark but if I learned anything from scientists or pilots is they never rely on any appearance of anything as an absolute fixed point-eveything to them could be subject to distortion. Man I am trying to explain but its beyond my words. I am just an ordinary earth dweller lol. I can barely figure out how to u se my gps for f..ck's sakes.
     
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    Looking at the good Doctors map, what he is showing is not something that hasn't happened already during a previous warming period on earth. A great shallow lake that covered the plains once existed. Also during ice ages the ocean has been much, much lower and such seas as the Mediterranean Sea didn't exist. Much like the Sahara being lush and green as we talked about before.

    Did you ever hear of the wheel of time? That history that has happened before will happen again and again in cycles. Another timeline with Gore winning in my mind is very possible. So too is a silent guiding hand guiding mankind which at times may make itself known. The Hindu book and epic Mahabharata is quite interesting.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahabharata

    A lot of what you described in your different posts could be reference in the Mahabharata. Not in the exact words, but the inferences and sometime descriptions are pretty darn close. Perhaps the ancients, both known civilizations and unknown civilization which preceded them may have known things we haven't thought about yet and done things we are only beginning to dream about.
     
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    For discussion:

    [video=youtube;4C5pq7W5yRM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM&feature=youtu.be[/video]

    Do you dematerialize when you sleep, since you're not being observed - and does the act of waking up rematerialize you?
     
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    I set him a simple test; I suggested that, using his special skills and contacts within the 'JOB', it should be an easy task to find my home address via the net and PM it me. The result? I'm still waiting-after a couple of years.
     
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