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  1. James California

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    ~ More countries are confronted with unexplained deaths and disability in previously healthy young adults .

     
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    "The John Hopkins research says yes, COVID can cause heart attacks because of the lack of oxygen COVID causes." Is that also because of those stupid muzzles people wear and that they took a jab or 10, were they ever considered as major contributors? :roflol:
     
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    ~ Cardiac inflammation { myocarditis } and damage to the vascular endothelium seem to be consistent findings in those suffering from mRNA spike protein side-effects.
     
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    A rather inaccurate statement that suggests the incidence of this and the severity are greater than records and studies have shown!

    Nordic study confirms connection between coronavirus vaccines and myocarditis – cases rare and mild - News - THL
    "The study examined 23 million people living in Finland, Sweden, Norway, or Denmark.

    The results show that the risk of inflammation is highest among young men aged 16-24 after the second vaccine dose. Compared with the unvaccinated population, their risk of developing an extra case of myocarditis within 28 days of a second vaccination is as follows:

    • With Moderna's Spikevax 9-28 persons out of 100,000 will be affected.
    • With Biontech-Pfizer's Comirnanty vaccine 4–7 persons out of 100,000 will be affected.

    Myocarditis is less prevalent among people other than men aged 16-24. In the 28 days that follow a second vaccination the onset of myocarditis is as follows: of all men and boys 12 years and older, 4-6 out of 100,000 recipients of the Spikevax vaccine and fewer than one recipient out of 100,000 who were given the Comirnaty vaccine develop myocarditis.

    Among girls and women 12 years old and above, the corresponding number for Spikevax is fewer than one, while for Comirnaty, there was no difference compared with the unvaccinated population.

    “Although the study confirms that those taking the vaccine have a higher risk of myocarditis, the cases are very rare. Most are mild and probably of short duration. Only 40 percent of those ending up hospitalised need to spend more than 3 days in hospital”, notes Petteri Hovi, Senior Researcher at THL."

    So statistically, for Moderna, the chances of contracting myocarditis are 0.028% - mild cases that are of short duration.
     
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    Christopher Titus is spot on!


    You don’t want to take the vaccine - then you’re the reason the aliens won’t land! :p
     
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    auiqs.jpg.gif They're already here and have been for hundreds of thousands of years. Why do you think ancient and prehistoric cultures depict them in cave paintings, hieroglyphs, and petroglyphs? Was it because of the humour of a comedian that gave them that trippy idea?
     
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    " I do not see aliens often, but when I do they always ask : `You speak a' Spanish ..?' "
     
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    Off topic hogwash.
    They don't.
    No, wishful thinking by conspiracy "researchers".
     
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    @James California Don't you do replies to rebuttal?
     
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    The suit has already succeeded. Think it through.
     
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    Do tell.
     
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    .. no but you do have the ability to drive out of this deep rabbit hole :)
     
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    No friend .. Covid is not a Hoax .. and was very dangerous to a small segment of the population .. similar to legionnaires .. where only old folks who were severely immune compromised were at risk.

    The Hoax was that these new experimental mRNA treatment products were safe and effective .. when the Gov't had the Phase III clinical trial results in hand .. but failing to make the public aware of the risk .. and the cost benefit calculation.

    That was the big lie .. but Covid itself was not a lie .. by the time Omicron arrived was a flue less harmful than a regular flue season for normal average folks who are moderately healthy. Nothing to worry about .. and certainly no reason to run around Jabbing people .. implementing forced medical treatment on normal citizens .. If these fallacious utilitarian folks want to force treatment on some group they should go after Fat People .. put them on forced diets or some such thing .. at least there was scientific Justification for such a thing .. not a policy based on a lie.
     
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    Have to facepalm at the phrase "small segment"! Around about 7 million deaths. Small segment?

    Hogwash bare assertion. It wasn't "experimental"!
    Five things you need to know about: mRNA vaccine safety | Research and Innovation (europa.eu)
    mRNA vaccine technology is not entirely new
    Human trials of cancer vaccines using the same mRNA technology have been taking place since at least 2011. ‘If there was a real problem with the technology, we’d have seen it before now for sure,’ said Prof. Goldman.Because the technology can be deployed extremely rapidly, and clinical trials have been so successful, mRNA platforms will be an important means of preparing for future epidemics, he says.

    mRNA vaccines do not alter your DNA
    A concern that some have had about the mRNA vaccines is that they could change people’s DNA. But that idea is ‘completely false’ and has ‘no scientific basis’, says Prof. Goldman. ‘The (vaccine) mRNA will not enter the nucleus of the cells, where our DNA is.’
    Once the injected mRNA enters a human cell, it degrades quickly and only stays in the body for a couple of days. This is why people need two injections to develop the best immune response, he says.

    mRNA vaccines are very specific
    The novel coronavirus, or SARS-CoV-2, has a complex structure, and different parts of the virus trigger the immune system to produce different antibodies to neutralise the virus.
    If an unvaccinated person catches the virus, they will produce antibodies that prevent the virus from entering human cells. They may also generate antibodies that do not have much impact. And in some cases, a person may produce antibodies which actually help the virus enter cells. mRNA vaccines are much more specific. They are designed to only trigger an immune response to the virus’s spike protein, which is just one component of the viral membrane and enables the virus to invade our cells.

    Corners were not cut in the clinical trials and approvals process
    Regulatory agencies reviewed the data from Covid-19 vaccine trials more quickly than usual by looking at it on a rolling basis rather than only once the trials were complete, but they did not fundamentally change their rules. ‘I really don’t think that corners were cut in terms of safety,’ said Prof. Goldman.
    The process was faster than usual because researchers had already built an mRNA platform – a way of getting viral mRNA into the body – for cancer and other vaccines under trial. It meant this could be put into action as soon as the genomic sequence of the virus was shared.

    The vaccine triggers an inflammatory response
    The vaccine partly works by inducing local inflammatory reactions to trigger the immune system. This means that it’s normal for many people to experience pain at the site of the injection and sometimes fever and discomfort for one or two days after the vaccine. ‘This is something that has not been advertised enough,’ says Prof. Goldman.


    False, the real lie comes from conspiracy theories.
     
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    This from Bing:

    "As of June 14, 2023, the number of COVID-19 deaths reported in the United States by age group is as follows:
    • 0-17 years: 1,642 deaths
    • 18-29 years: 6,965 deaths
    • 30-39 years: 19,735 deaths
    • 40-49 years: 46,036 deaths
    • 50-64 years: 201,940 deaths
    • 65-74 years: 254,710 deaths
    • 75-84 years: 296,444 deaths
    • 85 years and older: 307,169 deaths
    The total number of deaths from COVID-19 in the U.S. during this period is 1,134,6411.

    The number of flu-related deaths in the United States can vary significantly from year to year. For example, during the 2019-2020 flu season, approximately 20,342 people died from influenza. Here’s a breakdown of those deaths by age group for that season:

    • 0-4 years: 347 deaths
    • 5-17 years: 139 deaths
    • 18-49 years: 2,184 deaths
    • 50-64 years: 5,727 deaths
    • 65+ years: 11,945 deaths
    It’s important to note that these numbers are specific to the 2019-2020 flu season and that the impact of influenza varies each year depending on factors such as the circulating virus strains, vaccination rates, and the effectiveness of the vaccines. For the most current and detailed statistics, it’s best to refer to official health sources or the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)."

    In the age 18-49 group 2,184 died from the flu in the 2019-20 season while 72,736 died from covid in roughly 3.5 years.
    You're an unreliable source.
    Who is forced into treatment? Some hospital employees have been required to get vaccinated because they could expose others to covid.
    Why are you spreading misinformation?
     
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    Your ROFL says what we need to know about your attitude.
     
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    7 million deaths over what population ? and why the facepalm .. 7 million deaths over a segment of the population .. what part gives you trouble ?

    The "Five things" you posted had nothing to do with my claim .. "The Conspiracy Theory" according to you .. except it is not my claim .. but the claim of the Pfizer-Moderna Phase III clinical trials. that you are calling "Conspiracy theory" .. in some woke cancelation reaction.. deflecting from and then canceling information that conflicts from spoon fed state sponsored lies.

    We were lied to by Gov't and medical institutions and the mainstream media .. it hurts I know but, it is not some secret any longer - in fact the data was released as of last xmas. The Phase III Clinical Trial data states 1 in 800 SAR - Severe Adverse Reaction - and our Gov't had this data .. part of that stuff they didn't want to release for 20 years .. but is now public ... sorry the memo was not sent your direction.

    In some segments of the Population Males 16-30 for example risk of myocharditis is 300% higher .. so in this segment .. the SAR is gonna be more like 1 in 300 .. which is extremely high given the Swine Flu Vax was taken off the market "too dangerous" when it hit an SAR of 1 in 100,000.

    Its just Data -- but necessary illusion crushing data, unfortunately .. which can be very triggering to some .. sending them running around with hands over ears crying "Conspiracy" .. you know how it goes :)
     
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    What is the point of posting covid deaths reported as of June 14 2023 ? What does that have to do with the mRNA shots having Severe Adverse Reaction rate of 1 in 800 on average .. as per the Pfizer-Moderna Phase III clinical trial Data ?

    and you were given the source .. so my reliability is not in question. .. and why are you spreading misinformation ?
     
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    That sounds really sketchy .. one of those partial pants on fire scores. With every flue there is risk of pneumonia .. and possible death from lack of oxygen as your lungs fill up with fluid because your good bugs finally lost the life long battle .. which eventually takes us all .. sans some other event like getting hit with a meteor.

    So .. Pneumonia is what takes 9 out of 10 of those who die from Flue , including Covid (Omicron) .. one out of 10 the flue or covid will do some strange thing and hit your heart or brain .. this is usually in the form of swelling/inflammation . and not lack of Oxygen.

    But OK Covid weakens one's immune system - which leads to weakening of your bacteria .. where upon the bad one's get a foothold . and a war begins .. like a normal flue/influenza/pneumonia which kills 20 per 100,000 every year .. some of which have a heart attack.. on their way to death by axphixiation as the Bad Bugs win the war .. lungs fill up with slime-fluid. .. sure .. it happens.

    This is a much different thing than Vaccine induced myocharditis . which is.inflamation in the heart .. or the one I can't spell .. Guilles Barre .. which is inflamation in the Brain .. .. which can also be lethal or .. stroke. 1 in 800 have a severe adverse reaction SAR to the mRNA treatment. 1 in 300 if the person is male 16-30 .. having a 300% higher risk of myocharditis.
     
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    It does, doesn't it? (Sound sketchy)
    The John Hopkins research must have gotten funded by Pfizer/Big Pharma bucks to make the facts point to everything else but the mRNA covid shots cause all these weird and wonderful side effects, symptoms, and illnesses.
     
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    Yes .. while "Technically" you can say oxygen deficiency .. caused by the lungs filling up with snot due to losing the war between good bugs and bad .. a parasitic infection for which perhaps ivermectin is not such a bad idea in theory ..a treatment for inflamation due to parasitic infection .. but.. what does a Chemist/ Environmental Microbiologist know ..about environmental bacteria .. that silly stuff. .. using words like Consortia -- to describe the activities of the whole community .. as opposed to that if each individual in the battle.

    but I digress .. The loss of air cover to your bacterial soldiers -- for every 1 human cell you have 9 of these soldiers if you wanted to count .. but fret not .. volume wise the human cell is much bigger so volume wise .. you are more human than bug ... but yet in a symbiotic relationship with your troops who you house .. and without whome you die.

    Loss air cover - immune system working in symbiotic relationship with good bugs - allowed the bad guys to get a foothold .. you recognize this as a cold .. the symptoms "Snot" from the battle.. and you usually win .. lest it moves on to pneumonia .. and the deeper respiratory .. in which case you be taken some anti-biotics and not complaining .. the risk of death real .. yet through this pandemic .. even these standard protocols were sometimes shunned .. stuff like giving Vitimin C to help the Good bugs .. give the troops some ammo ..get the citric acid cycle going .. some honey .. some cayanne peper and lemon goes in my elixer .. all stuff for the troops .. squeeze that lemon down your throat and feel the pain .. knowing that the pH and acid hit to the bad bugs is hurting them much more.

    more digression . I know .. so .. during this episode .. the bad bugs are winning .. and you are losing air .. not like we havnt seen someone with pneumonia wheezing before .. thats how it works mate .. how we all go at the end of days .. when the bad bugs finally win the war and when the air gets shut off .. drowning in your own slime-fluids the shock from which sends some into heart attack.

    and Yes . while losing air cover for a while was part of the whole process .. I am hesitant to say that this was a heart attack Caused by Covid .. and especially "As If" this is some kind of event that does not happen just as often with a normal flue (*) The asterisk meaning that in the early varients prior to Omicron the lower respiratory was targeted .. "ONLY" in those who were in the target group which was over 80 - morbidly obese with numerous co-morbidities a compromized immune system .. and were ready to go if the wind blew the wrong way anyway. The initial Covid variants were highly selective .. 9 our of 10 on infected cruise ships were asymptomatic. didn't have any symptoms but tested positive.

    It sucks bad to the necessary illusion when the Gov't and medical institutions are putting forth fallacy and bad science .. There may be another covid related mechanism for oxygen deprivation that I am not aware of .. trying to think of how that might work .. but lets hope there is something.. but it makes no difference to the overall situation as there were many things where the institutions were hands down putting forth fallacy and bad science .. "knowingly" .. censorship and sin of omission in the case of this plague of fallacious utilitarianism .. the justification for example for not telling the public the risk - benefit calculation .. as is normally an obligation of every medical practitioner part of their oath to do no harm .. on the basis of "We don't want to increase Vaccine Hesitancy" ..

    Shocking -- like in the Canadian Parliament where they honored that Ukrainian Soldier Fighting Russia in WW2 who turned out to be a Nazi .. "Go figure" :) .. the next day the Speaker of the House Resigns over the ordeal .. but the most insidios event came when the leader of the Governing Party puts a vote to the floor to cancel the whole thing from the record books .. the vote fails .. but just the fact that this person would openly want to enact such deception .. wipe the record book clean .. . this event never happened in Parliament .. not on this day .. never.

    Far too Orwellian doublespeak for me .. cause in totalitarianism everything becomes a lie.
     
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    I dare say it's not the first or only time this has occurred.
     
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    Pretty rare -- in recent memory -- given such big scandal it was --- have to go back to Stalin .. Mao .. Pol Pot .. must erase the Past so we can re-engineer the present .. mental conditioning the first order of business.

    That said we have more historical cancellations of a similar sort .. canceling history -- talking down Statue's - Columbus day no more .. not that we should not trade that in for Viking day but .. those that still regard Columbus as something worth remembering should be encouraged to do so .. put a plaque beside is statue if you like .. "This fellow did some bad ***** .. but also did some other interesting stuff ..

    the problem is this willingness to deceive .. act in a deceptive manner .. justified on the basis of some collectivist utilitarian harm reduction argument .. We need to lie or hide from the people negative aspects of the treatment so as to reduce vax hesitancy for the collective good . which in this case was not a collective benefit .. so a case of fallacious Utilitarianism.
     

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