Safe and effective, hey?

It's the comment highlighted in red above that should be addressed. You're trivializing the risk of covid and overstating the risk of rMNA covid vaccines.

 

This from Bing:

"Q: Compare the risk of myocarditis from a Covid infection and the risk of myocarditis from an MRNA vaccine for someone under 50.

A: The risk of myocarditis varies between COVID-19 infection and mRNA vaccination, especially for individuals under 50. Here’s a comparison based on the information available:

COVID-19 Infection:

• The risk of myocarditis after a COVID-19 infection is significantly higher compared to the general population. Before the pandemic, myocarditis affected somewhere between 1 and 10 people per 100,000 each year.
• During the pandemic, the risk for myocarditis was 0.146% among patients diagnosed with COVID-19.
• The risk is higher for males, older adults over the age of 50, and children aged 16 and under.

mRNA Vaccination:

• The risk of vaccine-associated myocarditis (VAM) is present but relatively low. For example, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine has shown a VAM risk as low as 0.0006%.
• The risk of myocarditis after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination is rare, and most patients respond well to medicine and rest.
• The highest risk of VAM is observed in adolescent and young adult males between the ages of 12 and 24 years, with rates as high as 10.7 per 100,000.

It’s important to note that while the risk of myocarditis exists in both scenarios, the benefits of vaccination in preventing severe COVID-19 illness, hospitalization, and death are considered to outweigh the known risks. If you have concerns or need personalized medical advice, it’s best to consult with a healthcare provider."​

Why are you overstating the risk associated with getting a covid mRNA vaccination?

 

We should join you in your version of reality?

 

No matter who, what, where, when, why, and how, the truth will ALWAYS find a way!

 

To ellude you it would seem.

People keep giving you some truth, like the post you just totally ignored(above yours). Conspiracy theories simply avoid that truth in favor of ludicrous suggestions involving vast numbers of people colluding, sourced from batshit confirmation bias.

 

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Well we just had 2 posts extolling the virtuous truth loosely implying, bizarrely, that conspiracy theorists somehow would inevitably get hold of this truth.​

Don't worry, they've admitted that they'll get it eventually. Though how long we have to actually wait before this totally obvious penny drops could be some time!

 

They don't seem to care about the damage they cause. My take is they're more interested in promoting extreme politics than in helping people.

 

Here are the stats for Canada where almost half of the dying from covid is done the small number of unvaccinated individuals.

 

In this time of constant very upsetting confusion, false flags, wars, (riots, looting, etc.), and now internal bio-terrorism and manufactured widespread diseases, a major (list of things to deal with/desire to reach a goal) of the state mechanical device is to silence all disagreement, and order being like other people. It is extremely important (thinking about/when one thinks about) the state's plan for total control that it stops criticism and keeps/holds the power to control the mainstream story, while aggressively eliminating all other resistance and questioning. As things continue to break down/get worse, disobedience (to rules) cannot be allowed if worldwide authority and control and a worldwide reset are to be successful.

Current (deleting offensive things from books, movies, etc.) has reached levels not seen in the past, and with all the advanced technology available, this evil plot to silence the thinkers and hide the truth could affect all forms of speech. This can only lead to a world used/eaten/drank/destroyed by (talk or information that tries to change people's minds) alone, this way (promising that something will happen or that something will work as described) that only the state story will be presented in any part of the regular majority of people or easily (easy to get to, use, or understand) format. This is a dangerous situation, especially (thinking about/when one thinks about) the chance that through vaccination or other methods, many of the people/in the group could soon become subject to transhuman (trying new things out/testing ideas scientifically) where injectable nanoparticles and chips could be used to change human behavior.

This is not a new important thing/big event, as very mean rulers throughout human history have (offensive words, ideas, and scenes removed) written and speech to protect their power structure. In very old times and not-so-very old times, books were burned to keep people from having access to any material that was not acceptable by the (seat of power of a king or queen) or by the current political authority. Money, power, and control have always been the key concerns of the ruling class, it is just that the methods to keep that power and control have changed. Instead of the sword and (device that chopped off human heads), (talk or information that tries to change people's minds) and fear have become the first (or most important) tools used to fool people into (following the law/doing as you're told). For (talk or information that tries to change people's minds) to work, the elimination of dissent is extremely important. (Deleting offensive things from books, movies, etc.) plays a huge role in any effort to gain the support of the public, because without the possibility to reach the majority of the people, the truth-tellers become (treated as much less important), and are avoided and insulted as troublemakers and (people who believe that people are secretly working together to hurt the public).

The biggest (deleting offensive things from books, movies, etc.) push in history is happening today, which means that the biggest (talk or information that tries to change people's minds) push is also happening. This is a worldwide effort that is run by the few top claimed rich, powerful people, with their long, flexible arms of power reaching almost every country on Earth through control of the banks, corporations, foundations, and the whole political class system.

Many have fought and died to protect free speech, but all speech is now under attack by the forces of evil. Putting someone on a list of bad people users, blocking content, and computer-related moving around/misleading and tricking allow for the state to control information, and with that control of information, it stands to reason that the general public will then be easier to control/move around/mislead and keep in check.

 

I'm sorry you are upset and confused. People are trying hard to un-confuse you:

 

~ Korea has just released new data of side-effects related to mRNA Covid-19 shot. Mostly immune and hemotalogic related issues occurring more frequently in those who were poked.

 

Of course, you provide no evidence.

 

Where?

Is that how they worded it? Or is this "data" from a batshit source?

 

I did not overstate the risk of mRNA -- nor trivialize the risk of harm .. as Old folks and the severely ill or immune compromized were the only ones at risk. did you have a problem understanding the word "Similar" to legionnaires disease ?

The Risk of harm from the mRNA vax was given to you from the Phase III Clinical Trials done by Pfizer-Moderna = an SAR of 1 in 800. Why do you say this was me overstating the risk in a lame attempt to demonize the messenger because you can't handle the message only able to respond with Ad Hom Fallacy.

1 in 800 who took the Jab had a "Severe Adverse Reaction" (SAR) - what more do you need further addressed .. Do you not understand that 1 in 800 SAR is not "Safe" .. or is it the 1 in 3 million chance of a healthy child dying from Covid that is not safe ?

 

Well .. let us not forget that in the beginning there was a high number of unvaxed .. pandemic raged for a year prior to the vax being available.

So so what ? what does this figure tell us ..about the general population ? .. given the stats apply only to really unhealthy - 3 comorbidities - old - obese - severely immune compromised portion of the public. against a related risk of harm on the other side of "lower than average flue" ..

Don't let that one fly by now Langley .. bolded and in red for your commentary. and tell me why on earth as a healthy citizen I should take the Jab on this basis ? risk a 1 in 800 chance of Severe life threatening ordeal .. the risk of death real and not hypothetical as per the DEFINITION of SAR .. which you seem yet unaware of despite covering this term more than 20 times. .. perhaps you might look it up on that canadian Health Canada site.. then tell us what the relative risk of harm for healthy folks is on both sides .. as I have done.

Risk of harm -mRNA Jab vs. Risk of harm from non elderly healthy person of dying from Covid

the Podium is yours .. assign a value to each side .. as I have done.

I hear a squishing sound somewhere .. or is it deflation ? .. of necessary illusion bubble -- coming to grudging acceptance of the fact that Gov't and medical institutions were lying to us is hard .. and painfull.. even for me who has been aware for long long Long .. reading Naom , Naom, Naom near 4 decades ago .

Sorry .. I am digressing .. you were about tell us your relative risk assessment. ..

 

What a load of hogwash. The chances of a "Severe life threatening ordeal" is not 1 in 800, that's the figure for one of the recorded adverse effects, none of which are life threatening. Indeed the myocarditis figure shows only short-term impairment.

Nope.

That's a very false dichotomy. Significant harm risk, long term, is extremely low from the vaccine, however it isn't just death to worry about with the virus.

Long COVID or Post-COVID Conditions | CDC
"Some people, especially those who had severe COVID-19, experience multiorgan effects or autoimmune conditions with symptoms lasting weeks, months, or even years after COVID-19 illness. Multi-organ effects can involve many body systems, including the heart, lung, kidney, skin, and brain. As a result of these effects, people who have had COVID-19 may be more likely to develop new health conditions such as diabetes, heart conditions, blood clots, or neurological conditions compared with people who have not had COVID-19."

Long COVID: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations | Nature Reviews Microbiology
"Long COVID (sometimes referred to as ‘post-acute sequelae of COVID-19’) is a multisystemic condition comprising often severe symptoms that follow a severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection. At least 65 million individuals around the world have long COVID, based on a conservative estimated incidence of 10% of infected people and more than 651 million documented COVID-19 cases worldwide1; the number is likely much higher due to many undocumented cases. The incidence is estimated at 10–30% of non-hospitalized cases, 50–70% of hospitalized cases2,3 and 10–12% of vaccinated cases4,5. Long COVID is associated with all ages and acute phase disease severities, with the highest percentage of diagnoses between the ages of 36 and 50 years, and most long COVID cases are in non-hospitalized patients with a mild acute illness6, as this population represents the majority of overall COVID-19 cases. "

 

Not sure why you went on about long Covid - don't believe that is classified as an SAR - "Severe Adverse Reaction" which is, contrary to your calling out "No No No" , by definition, a life threatening ordeal .. real not hypothetical .. hence the term "Severe"

Sorry .. just telling you what the definition is friend .. and 1 in 800 will generally have a long term effect .. roughly 70% of the SAR's in the case of of the mRNA treatment are myocharditis - the other mostly brain inflammation .. and a small percent of other nasty things you don't want happening ..

1 in 800 SAR is not "Safe" .. and is even worse for Males 16-30 who have 300% higher chance of myocharditis.

Now run me the numbers for a healthy male 16-30 .. Jabbing 3 times per year .. for 10 years .. odds of an SAR por favor.

 

~ It seems "long Covid " only occurs in the vaccinated. Likely another side-effect of the mRNA experiment. "

 

and there is no guarantee that the vax will save you from long covid any more than it was supposed to prevent transmission .

They did show that for folks who have no immune system .. .. seriously deficient .. the jolt appeared to give some benefit.. no such comparison can be made relative to one with a normal healthy immune system .. .. there-in lies the sneaky bad-science part. The study results are not from healthy people .. under 90 with less than 3 comorbidities if you get the picture. .. sorry but they just did not show up to the hospital / IC/ Dead to participate..

So now .. you compare healthy persons risk of ending up in the hospital due to "Omicron" and it is less than a normal flue season .. due to the highly selective nature of this one .. Really was attracted to a particular group .. more so than regular flue . and so the healthy got of really easy with this Pandemic . .. which killed roughly double a regular flue season 20 per 100,000 is normal .. we had 40 ..in my neck of woods.. and is a standard amount ...

 

Your data set misses a huge amount as only people who show up in the hospital are tracked and they were not attributing these visits to the Jab.. this being widespread and systemic.. chest pain .. in the hospital for 3 days on morphine .. but not the Jab.

Regardless .. no need to dissect further .. or at all as the numbers I gave you were from the Pfizer-Moderna Phase III clinical Trials ? It doesn't get any better or more rigorous conditions friend. 1 in 800 SAR

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What on Earth makes you think it's being suggested as a SAR? You made a false dichotomy. Long COVID is another alternative to your list. COVID death is not the only reason to get a vaccine!

 

Making it up as you go along, pathetic. The figures quoted in the research suggested 10-12% of vaccinated. I didn't bold it, but had you taken the time to actually read that excerpt it was clearly there.

 

What list ? and you were the one talking about Long Covid as if it was SAR ? now seeming very confused as the SAR is a reason not to take the Vax. .. to avoid the Severe Adverse Reaction.. which is far worse than any "Long Covid" .. but the vax is not going to help you with that in any case either .. Long covid can be had by vaxed or unvaxed.. so that is not a reason to take the vax in any case .. so mixed up on both accounts .. risk of harm from the vax .. and risk of harm from covid to healthy person.

 

This is painful, I said "a false dichotomy", If you don't know what that is, look it up!

Well no. I was talking about it as a third option to your 2 option failure.

Once again you conflate the SAR into a life threatening situation when it is not.

Total hogwash. Stop making things up.

Bare assertion antivaxx crap. The study I quoted from demonstrates that 10-12% of long covid are vaccinated. Statistically that is a slam-dunk that it DOES help.

88% of cases being unvaccinated.

False, the stats suggest you have a far better chance of avoiding it with a vaccination. A far better chance of avoiding dying if you have a vaccination. A far better chance of the covid-19 being significantly milder if you have a vaccine. A very tiny chance of a serious* reaction from having a vaccine.

Vaccine testing labels all reactions above a certain threshold as serious. In terms of their severity related to genuine serious illness, there is no connection. They are deemed serious only because they are compared to a zero baseline.