Sandy Hook Commission Calls For Government Crackdown On Homeschools

Nice tap dancing. The public schools spent a lot more time with Harris and Klebold but you absolve them of any and all responsibility. How convenient. But, the parents who knew their son had a problem, know he would cause problems in school, sent him to counseling and therapy and got him on meds but they're enablers.

How typically liberal. The government can do no wrong. It's the parents fault, or President Bush's fault, or the fault of the American people in general.

Elliot Rodger went to a Catholic high school, a public high school, and then a public high school for at-risk teens. His family new he had problems but there is no indication the schools were aware or did anything.

"According to his family's attorney and a family friend, Rodger had seen multiple therapists since he was eight years old and while he was a student at SBCC during his 1999-2000 school year.[27] The lawyer claimed that Rodger was "receiving psychiatric treatment",[47][76][77] but Rodger was never formally diagnosed with a mental illness.[78]

By the ninth grade, Rodger was "increasingly bullied" and he wrote that he "cried by [himself] at school every day".[79] During his time at Crespi Carmelite High, he was bullied by other students, who once taped his head to his desk when he fell asleep.[25][80]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings#Perpetrator

In case you can't tell, I'm not buying it. Home schooling is far less risky, in all respects, to public schools.

 

That's funny. You make absurd statements with absolutely no facts to back you up and want people to take you seriously. Not a chance.

 

Oy. Not what I was getting at. Specifically, the ability to pick their students and not accept any with problems, be it mental, physical or both. Also, I know one supposed super private school quite near me who brag that all of their students go on to college. And they do. What they don't tell you is that if your kid isn't doing very well, they're booted out.

 

Actually, for most Christians, public school is their choice.

 

Lanza was in public (and parochial) schools until he was 16. They had plenty of time to discover his problem. The suggested surveillance of homeschoolers wouldn't have stopped the massacre. The real problem is the mental health system that didn't diagnose him as dangerous.

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My wife is a principal at a local parochial school. They accept students with problems--even have special programs for them. Now, they can boot kids out for being behavior problems.

 

That doesn't surprise me and I'm sure that other private schools would also have similar programs. However, they are not required to accept whomever shows up at the front door, regardless of their condition(s), and attempt to educate them, even those who are unable to communicate. And that takes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

 

Maybe where you are at, but private schools here don't get to pick the voucher students and the vouchers are given out in a lottery. The key difference is that the parents have to sign up for the voucher lottery and thus are more inclined to make sure their kid actually shows up for class. I am assuming that if the student doesn't meet some minimum attendance requirement that the voucher it removed and given to another student. Other factors are that private schools are often not unionized adn therefore don't have to keep mediocre teachers. They can fire the poor performing ones and just keep the best. That is the biggest difference right there.

 

Shouldn't we do this for public schools and for public officials first?

Many in public schools are not receiving a reasonable education. Ans what does medical care have to do with this?
You don't actually understand this whole liberty and freedom thing do you? Is your opinion that everybody must be monitored by the state?

I believe anybody working for government should be monitored far more closely.

 

In your state are charter schools public schools?

If you want to make education worthwhile eliminate the government's role in it.

 

Heaven help us if the government starts taking action against people based on predictions from psychologists or psychiatrists. I spent years going to court and watching the defense psychologists/psychiatrists swear the man was totally crazy and not responsible and the prosecution team saying the man was quite normal and totally in control Bottom line, they'll say what they're paid to say and left to their own they'll make a wild ass guess.

The governor's office called me once for my opinion on predicting violence. Two men had been released from the state hospital in one week and both had gone out immediately and killed. I told there was no predictor. The best would be past behavior. A woman who takes up with a man who has done time for abusing women is a fool. The second best is family. A young man with three older brothers in prison stands a good chance of joining them.

But, I knew a man who was a robber and at least a participant in some killing who stopped. He got a regular job, he joined a church, he got married, and became a normal citizen. The impetus of his change was getting shot in an incident that saw two of his brothers killed. I had occasion to talk with people who at broken the cycle and it was almost always the same. First, I quit drinking, then I got a regular job, then I got a family, and I got normal.

I was always angry and frustrated, though, when I'd hear cops or teachers say, "Does anybody know Peridochas?" "No, but I know if brother, watch out." Or, "I know his sister and he'll be wonderful."

 

No school, public or private, is not to be the parent. For Columbine, they did inform the parents of thei kids involvement, but the parents did nothing substantial at all. This is why I said the parents were tone deaf.

For Adma Lanza, the mother who knew her son had a mental illness taught him to shoot anyway and had open access to firearms in which he took. Thus the mother was partially at fault here.

Sandy hook was not at fault because Adam Lanza never went there to begin with. They followed protocol when the shooter first appeared on campus. And the fault was Adam Lanza.

But leave it to conservatives to put blame on government for anything and everything no matter if the evidence supports their lunatic theory or not.

 

then how do you explain public schools in surburbia, small towns, and other places wehre poor black kids don't exist in large, great numbers?

 

As I understand it, private schools are not required to accept state issued vouchers and can continue to operate as stand alone entities. Yes?

I've also noticed that pay and benefits at most private schools is lower than the public schools (at least here) and regardless of what you might think, that is a consideration of most people. I've known teachers who moved here from another state and took jobs with private schools until the local school board hired them.

 

Already in place. Is it perfect? Nope, but then again, nothing is.

Students fail all the time. And?

It limits cases of child abuse.

I probably understand "this whole liberty and freedom thing" far more than you'd prefer, particularly the objectives of those who shout out about it at the drop of a hat.

What makes you think they're not?

 

What do you mean, explain them? Are you under the illusion they are good schools? It was in one of those schools my son's history teacher told him the Holocaust never happened. A man working for me had severe dyslexia and he graduated from one of those schools not being able to read or write.

 

I don't know about all private schools but I do know both my grandchildren are in private schools at a cost of about $25,000 each per year. This is more than twice what is spent per pupil at the average public school and I suspect even less is spent in poor public schools.

My wife's son taught in a Florida public school in a very poor neighborhood and the comparison of the two types of schools is amazing with the public school having nowhere near the resources of the private school. And yes the public school was unionized but the salaries were way below those paid at the private schools.

 

If parents were actually willing to really get involved in their children's education most of the problems schools are currently experiencing would not be occurring.

 

At $25K per kid, small wonder teachers are paid more than public school teachers.

 

That's exactly why saying if public schools were run like private schools they would produce better results makes very little sense in the real world.

And another thing I learned from my wife's sons experience teaching in public schools is that the resources available in the schools in poor areas are much less than those available in the wealthier area public schools, even within the same city.

 

Taxcutter says:
Is that not what homeschoolers are by definition?

 

No that is parents who have given up on public schools. They are very involved in their children's education but this is a tiny minority and not really relevant to any discussion of education in the United States.

 

Taxcutter says:
Homeschoolers are indeed a small minority, but they have a place in the mix, and they deserve to be compensated for reducing the load on the corrupt unionized government-run schools.

 

That's not typical for private schools. Around here, the Catholic schools' goal is to pay the teachers at leas 80% of the public school rate. They are hard-pressed to do so. Locally, the Catholic schools charge less than $5000 per student.

 

My observation is that in the same district, the poor area schools have more resources. Why? They get extra federal money from Title I. This is from observation, as my children went to school in a richer area of town, in a fairly poor school district.

Now, this is totally different if the poor area is in one district, and the richer area is in the neighboring district. In that case the richer area's schools do have better resources.

 

Let's get it straight here - parents do not choose private schools - private schools choose their students. So, if public schools were run that way, they could simply select their students and slam the door in the face of those who would or might be a problem, whether that was for disciplinary reasons, handicaps or anything else. And it would be seriously cheaper. Now, I have no idea what would happen to those millions of kids who weren't selected, but remember, that doesn't exactly bother those on the right and Libertarians even less.

Maybe yes, maybe no. Would depend on the state, county and district.

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They're actually a drag on public school funding, so no compensation is in order. You're welcome.