Saudi Officials Supported 9/11 Terrorists

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  1. Blues63

    Blues63 New Member Past Donor

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    Along with the above source, this thread on Metabunk contains an interesting discussion on the subject.

    https://www.metabunk.org/9-11-hijackers-still-alive.t1154/
     
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    I agree. I firmly believe in the spirit of cooperation between nations. Conflict is destructive and peace aids prosperity.

    I didn't mean to imply that if that is how you read it. No, but I do not think a 'witch hunt' against the House of Saud is a good idea either. Perhaps this is what Obama fears. Diplomacy is always preferable to hysteria.

    Again, I agree.

    I understand that the NIST report was intended to find a 'probable' cause using the computer modelling process. No-one really knows what went on inside 7WTC, and the model may not be 100% accurate. However, if minor quibbles do not affect the outcome of the report, I find them a waste of time. But, I still support a new investigation, and I would personally donate toward it if need be.

    Warranted may be a little strong if you mean by the accretion of new evidence (this is what I primarily contest on this, as I feel the fraud claims are a little 'strong' and lack foundation), but to settle the issue once and for all, yes.

    Certainly in the minority among the 'Debunkers'.

    Perhaps the only hurdle is getting Congress to fund it.

    I must add, that it is refreshing to have a discussion on this subject at this level. I appreciate it.
     
  3. Scott

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    Response to post #15...
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=456423&page=2&p=1066194856#post1066194856

    Blues63 seems to be checkmated by this.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=452072&page=15&p=1066163607#post1066163607



    Hey Blues...

    Click on this link.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M

    Go to the 4:27:48 time mark and listen to the argument about the sagging trusses. Please address the issue put forth about the sagging trusses in that video at the 4:27:48 time mark. Your insisting that I reiterate what the guy says before you address it is pretty lame. It will be a lot clearer if you just watch that segment of the video because it shows what the guy is explaining as he's explaining it. The viewers are listening to it and you're not making them think it has no validity,


    I can understand why you're avoiding this issue; it's pretty clear proof that explosives were used and it would be pretty hard to obfuscate it.
     
  4. Margot2

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    DNA? What would they compare it to?

    From the link it would seem that there was more than one case of mistaken identity and the media posted photos of men who are still alive.

    http://skepticproject.com/articles/911/hijackers-still-alive/

    I am still skeptical of DNA.
     
  5. phoenyx

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    As I suspected, the 28 pages are just the tip of the iceberg...

    **The Obama administration may soon release 28 classified pages from a congressional investigation that allegedly links Saudis in the United States to the 9/11 attackers. A former Republican member of the 9/11 Commission alleged Thursday that there was “clear evidence” of support for the hijackers from Saudi officials.

    But in Florida, a federal judge is weighing whether to declassify portions of some 80,000 [emphasis mine] classified pages that could reveal far more about the hijackers’ Saudis connections and their activities in the weeks preceding the worst attack on U.S. soil.

    The still-secret files speak to one of the strangest and most enduring mysteries of the 9/11 attacks. Why did the Saudi occupants of a posh house in gated community in Sarasota, Florida, suddenly vanish in the two weeks prior to the attacks? And had they been in touch with the leader of the operation, Mohamed Atta, and two of his co-conspirators?...
    ** Read more at: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...audis-and-9-11.html?via=mobile&source=twitter
     
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    The suspect was Adnan Shukrijumah, an al-Qaeda operative who is on the FBI’s Most Wanted list, with a $5 million bounty on his head.A decade after the world’s worst terrorist attack, which claimed the lives of 3,000 people, Mr al-Hijji is resident in London, working for the European subsidiary of Saudi Aramco, Saudi Arabia’s state oil company. Described as a career counsellor, he is based in the offices of Aramco Overseas Company UK Limited and lives in an expensive flat in central London.

    In email correspondence with the Telegraph, Mr al-Hijji strongly denied any involvement in the plot, writing: “I have neither relation nor association with any of those bad people/criminals and the awful crime they did. 9/11 is a crime against the USA and all humankind and I’m very saddened and oppressed by these false allegations.

    “I love the USA. My kids were born there, I went to college and university there, I spent a good portion of my life there and I love it.”

    Mr al-Hijji’s account is supported by the FBI, which has stated: “At no time did the FBI develop evidence that connected the family members to any of the 9/11 hijackers … and there was no connection found to the 9/11 plot.’’

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ed-oil-executive-linked-to-911-hijackers.html
     
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    I find the above surprising, to say the the least, but quite welcome and refreshing. I have to temper my responses to your posts in order not to incur the wrath of powers that be so I won't be discussing much, if anything with you any more on 9/11 as I should have stuck to from the beginning, sorry but it is what it is.
     
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    An article from The Guardian, posted last Thursday:

    ***Saudi officials were 'supporting' 9/11 hijackers, commission member says

    A former Republican member of the 9/11 commission, breaking dramatically with the commission’s leaders, said Wednesday he believes there was clear evidence that Saudi government employees were part of a support network for the 9/11 hijackers and that the Obama administration should move quickly to declassify a long-secret congressional report on Saudi ties to the 2001 terrorist attack.

    The comments by John F Lehman, an investment banker in New York who was Navy secretary in the Reagan administration, signal the first serious public split among the 10 commissioners since they issued a 2004 final report that was largely read as an exoneration of Saudi Arabia, which was home to 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11.

    “There was an awful lot of participation by Saudi individuals in supporting the hijackers, and some of those people worked in the Saudi government,” Lehman said in an interview, suggesting that the commission may have made a mistake by not stating that explicitly in its final report. “Our report should never have been read as an exoneration of Saudi Arabia.”

    He was critical of a statement released late last month by the former chairman and vice-chairman of the commission, who urged the Obama administration to be cautious about releasing the full congressional report on the Saudis and 9/11 – “the 28 pages”, as they are widely known in Washington – because they contained “raw, unvetted” material that might smear innocent people.

    The 9/11 commission chairman, former Republican governor Tom Kean of New Jersey, and vice-chairman, former Democratic congressman Lee Hamilton of Indiana, praised Saudi Arabia as, overall, “an ally of the United States in combatting terrorism” and said the commission’s investigation, which came after the congressional report was written, had identified only one Saudi government official – a former diplomat in the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles – as being “implicated in the 9/11 plot investigation”.

    The diplomat, Fahad al-Thumairy, who was deported from the US but was never charged with a crime, was suspected of involvement in a support network for two Saudi hijackers who had lived in San Diego the year before the attacks.

    In the interview Wednesday, Lehman said Kean and Hamilton’s statement that only one Saudi government employee was “implicated” in supporting the hijackers in California and elsewhere was “a game of semantics” and that the commission had been aware of at least five Saudi government officials who were strongly suspected of involvement in the terrorists’ support network.

    “They may not have been indicted, but they were certainly implicated,” he said. “There was an awful lot of circumstantial evidence.”
    **

    Read more at: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/12/911-commission-saudi-arabia-hijackers
     
  9. Margot2

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    The San Diego connection was weak and ultimately debunked..

    Bush should have released the 28 redacted pages in 2003.
     
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    I think the paragraph right before the point you started makes Mr. al-Hijji's statement highly suspect: **A US counter-terrorist agent told The Daily Telegraph: “The registration numbers of vehicles that had passed through the Prestancia community’s north gate in the months before 9/11, coupled with the identification documents shown by incoming drivers on request, showed that Mohamed Atta and several of his fellow hijackers, and another Saudi suspect still at large, had visited 4224 Escondito Circle.”**

    Similarly, the paragraph right after your last one also strongly suggests this isn't just someone who's been falsely accused of involvement...
    **Bob Graham, a former US senator who, in addition to co-chairing the congressional inquiry into 9/11, was chairman of the US senate intelligence committee at the time, disputes the FBI denials. He has long believed that there was Saudi support for the 19 terrorists, 15 of whom were subjects of the kingdom. He cites two secret documents to which he has recently had access.

    The first document, Graham says, is “not consistent with the public statements of the FBI that there was no connection between the 9/11 hijackers and the Saudis at the Sarasota home. Both documents indicate that the investigation was not the robust inquiry claimed by the FBI.”

    Mr al-Hijji, 38, moved with his family to Britain in 2003, setting up home in a rented four-bedroom detached house in the Southampton suburb of Totton. His stay there appears to have been uneventful.

    The al-Hijjis’ abrupt departure from Sarasota aroused the suspicion of their next-door neighbour, Patrick Gallagher. He emailed the FBI within two days of 9/11 to report the disappearance of the couple and their young children.

    Reports released recently by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement refer to the “suspicious manner and timing” of the family’s departure.

    One document states: “In mid-August 2001 the above subjects purchased a new vehicle and renewed the registration on several other vehicles. On Aug 27 2001 a moving truck appeared and moved the subjects out of the house. Left behind were the vehicles and numerous personal belongings, including food, medicine, bills, baby clothing etc.”

    The document goes on to state that Mr al-Hijji and Esam Ghazzawi, his father-in-law and the owner of the Escondito Circle house, had been “on the FBI watch list” prior to 9/11.
    **

    The closing of the article has Mr. al-Hijji denying that he left in undue haste, that it was all just to take advantage of a job offer. It seems a tad suspicious to me though.
     
  11. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    More likely, Atta and the rest were simply actors in an elaborate ruse meant to deceive the public and lay the groundwork for the Global War On Terror, going into its 15th year now.
     
  12. phoenyx

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    I'm sorry, but I won't just take your word for it. But if you're willing to cite evidence for your claim, I could take a look at it...

    I think this, atleast, is something we can all agree on here. I also think it would be nice if the 80,000 pages or so that a federal judge in Florida is mulling over releasing portions of could be released as well.
     
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    The case of Mohammed Atta is pretty complicated, as the following link makes clear...

    Mohamed Atta: Terrorist, Patsy, or Scapegoat?
     
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    There have been hundreds if not thousands of Saudi students in the US since 1950 .. The San Diego connection was a student with 4-5 children and a wife who was being treated for breast cancer. The money that princess ??? can't recall her name.. was for living expenses and medical bills. .. It was a dead end lead.

    The more you know about KSA and its people, the less likely you would be to accuse them based on ignorance and speculation.
     
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    Atta was a follower of Sayiid Qutb. ..

    I have wondered if 9-11 was connected to the bombing of the al Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan.. What a screw up that was.. 13 missiles launched at an aspirin factory that employed 300 people.. 1 was killed.. 11 injured.

    Salah Idris had made his money in banking in Arabia.. He was from Sudan or Kenya.. I can't recall which.

    The Clintons sure did screw up..
     
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    Again, you seem to expect me to simply trust your word on this. Furthermore, I'm not even the one who's levelling the accusations. These aren't even coming from conspiracy theory sites. These are current articles popping out in the mainstream media. Here's an excerpt from an article from The New York Post that came out last month:

    **In its report on the still-censored “28 pages” implicating the Saudi government in 9/11, “60 Minutes” last weekend said the Saudi role in the attacks has been “soft-pedaled” to protect America’s delicate alliance with the oil-rich kingdom.

    That’s quite an understatement.

    Actually, the kingdom’s involvement was deliberately covered up at the highest levels of our government. And the coverup goes beyond locking up 28 pages of the Saudi report in a vault in the US Capitol basement. Investigations were throttled. Co-conspirators were let off the hook.

    Case agents I’ve interviewed at the Joint Terrorism Task Forces in Washington and San Diego [Emphasis mine], the forward operating base for some of the Saudi hijackers, as well as detectives at the Fairfax County (Va.) Police Department who also investigated several 9/11 leads, say virtually every road led back to the Saudi Embassy in Washington, as well as the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles.

    Yet time and time again, they were called off from pursuing leads. A common excuse was “diplomatic immunity.”
    **

    Read more at: How US covered up Saudi role in 9/11 | New York Post
     
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    Perhaps from Saudi medical records?

    Yes, the subject is highly confused.

    I'll check through the Moussaoui trial records for confirmation....it may take a while.
     
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    Thanks for that link. The whole Portland/Boston story is so lame. If these highly trained operatives wanted to hijack a plane out of Boston, why on earth would they drive past and go to Maine? An absurd story in so many ways.
     
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    I think it makes a lot more sense if you have a healthy skepticism of official stories and knowledge of the original story regarding the alleged hijackers cars that were found...

    **The Bukharis provide a key to the enigma:

    [Adnan and Ameer Bukhari's] names had been tied to a car found at an airport in Portland, Maine. [CNN]
    The two rented a car, a silver-blue Nissan Altima, from an Alamo car rental at Boston's Logan Airport and drove to an airport in Portland, Maine, where they got on US Airways Flight 5930 at 6 a.m. Tuesday headed back to Boston, the sources said.

    Before CNN learned the identities of the two brothers, Portland Police Chief Mike Chitwood said, "I can tell you those two individuals did get on a plane and fly to Boston early yesterday morning ... I can tell you that they are the focus of a federal investigation." [People's Daily 9/13/2001]

    [Adnan Bukhari's] name reportedly appears on the American Airlines Flight Eleven manifest. [First Coast News]

    A trail of evidence led investigators into Tuesday's terrorist attacks from one abandoned rental car in Portland, Maine, to two houses in Vero Beach, Florida. One of the Vero Beach houses had been rented by two brothers from Saudi Arabia. Inside it were two pilot's certificates in the names of Adnan Bukhari and his brother, Ameer Abbas Bukhari. [BBC News]

    Early accounts stated it was Adnan and Ameer Bukhari who rented the car from Logan Airport Alamo and abandoned it at Portland, not Mohamed Atta. The Bukharis "did get on a plane and fly to Boston", Adnan Bukhari's name reportedly appeared on Flight 11's manifest, and a trail of evidence led investigators to Adnan Bukhari's house.

    Within hours of the attacks it was nearly "case closed" that the Bukharis were hijackers of Flight 11, but a couple of simple facts proved their innocence - Ameer Bukhari died in a plane crash in 2000 and Adnan Bukhari is alive.

    How did so much evidence initially point to the Bukharis, and how did Adnan Bukhari's name reportedly appear on Flight 11's manifest?

    The words "fabricated evidence" spring to mind.

    The Bukharis innocence caused a major rethink of Flight 11's hijackers, and this rethink resulted in the implausible scenario of Atta abandoning two rental cars in two airports.
    **

    Source: Mohamed Atta: Terrorist, Patsy, or Scapegoat? | WhatReallyHappened.com
     
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    Here's another view on the Atta fairy tale:

    http://www.consensus911.org/point-h-1/

    I'll just post the conclusion:

    Although this story is complex, it suggests that what became the official story was most likely based on creative imagination, not fact.

    It reminds me of the adage, "lies change all the time, the truth never changes".
     
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    The first one is really lame. Bayoumi wife's medical bills and living expenses for his wife and five children have bee documented.. and Princess Haifa would NEVER fund any terrorist.
     
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    Can you provide a link to this documentation?

    How would you know this?
     
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    Because I know Princess Haifa.
     
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    Personally? Because you brought up Princess Haifa specifically, I decided to investigate her a little more. Wikipedia's entry on her focuses almost exclusively on her possible role in 9/11:

    **9/11 funding allegations
    After the September 11 attacks, she was investigated for a sequence of payments allegedly made to a Saudi national by the name of Omar al-Bayoumi, who is known to have assisted two of the hijackers upon their arrival in Southern California, and who himself is suspected of being a Saudi intelligence asset. Investigation has confirmed that some of the payments were in fact forwarded to al-Bayoumi's wife, Manal Bajadr; the significance of these payments (and the extent to which they may have assisted the hijackers) is unclear.[2]

    In April 1998, Osama Basnan, a Saudi national living in California, wrote to Haifa requesting money for his wife's needed thyroid surgery. Haifa sent Basnan $15,000, although his wife, Majeda Dweikat, was not actually treated for another two years.

    At some later point (accounts vary as to when; dates between November 1999 and March 2000 were given, and a Saudi government official put the onset at 4 December 1999),[3] Haifa began sending monthly cashier's checks to Dweikat of either $2,000 or $3,500, transporting them through Riggs Bank.[4] Dweikat signed some of these checks over to her friend Manal Bajadr, wife of Omar al-Bayoumi. The payments continued through May, 2002 and eventually totaled as much as $73,000.[5] (This sort of charitable donation known as Zakat from members of the House of Saud to Saudi nationals living abroad is not particularly unusual.)[citation needed]

    Osama Basnan had been under suspicion for many years. In 1992, the FBI had received information suggesting a connection between him and a terror group later associated with Osama bin Laden. In 1993, there were reports that Basnan hosted a party for Shaikh Omar Abdul-Rahman. According an anonymous U.S. official, Basnan "celebrated the heroes of September 11" shortly after the attacks, and talked about "what a wonderful, glorious day it had been." In interviews and investigations after the attack, Basnan has given sharply contradictory testimony about monies received and his relationship with Bajadr and al-Bayoumi. Basnan was deported on 17 November 2002.

    Omar al-Bayoumi was the husband of Manal Bajadr, who received some of the monies from Dweikat. Al-Bayoumi had several intriguing connections to two of the hijackers: Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi. He met them in a restaurant soon after the two had first arrived in Los Angeles, and convinced them to move to San Diego. He picked out an apartment for them, co-signed the lease, and loaned them $1,500 to pay their rent.

    Al-Bayoumi then moved in across the street from them and assisted them in other not-so minor ways: he helped open a bank account, obtain car insurance, get Social Security cards and call flight schools in Florida—and also threw a welcoming party for the hijackers, during which he introduced them to the local Muslim community.[6]

    Some of al-Bayoumi's other activities—for example, his habit of videotaping commercial and governmental facilities in the San Diego area—were conspicuous enough to give rise to rumors that he was a Saudi agent.

    Once this story became known, it was thoroughly investigated. (Some of these investigations led to the Riggs Bank scandals of 2003 and 2004.) Although there are still many questions about al-Bayoumi and Basnan, the 9/11 Commission Report asserts, in footnote 122, that the hijackers al-Midhar and al-Hazmi did not receive any funding from them: "We have found no evidence that Saudi Princess Haifa al Faisal provided any funds to the conspiracy, either directly or indirectly.".[7] (The quote itself comes either from David D. Aufhauser of the U.S. Treasury Department, or Adam B. Drucker, of the FBI.)

    The Report does not provide further detail, or primary source material that would substantiate its claim that the Faisal-Bayoumi transfers did not "directly or indirectly" assist the hijackers; it simply rests on the fact that the burden of proof for any argument that the transfers did assist the hijackers has not been met by available evidence.

    Her and her family's reaction
    According to the Saudi daily, Al Riyadh, Haifa became ‘so terrified’ that she asked that all checks drawn against her bank account with the Riggs Bank in Washington DC since 1994 be examined.[8] In 2002, in regard to the accusations against her Prince Turki, her brother, stated "Any allegations about money from my sister reaching the hijackers is allegation and half-truths and totally untrue."[9]**

    Source: Haifa bint Faisal | Wikipedia
     

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