Seattle police confiscate weapons from right wing Neo-Nazi.

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    By that logic, Hitler and Trump are basically the same. Of course that isn't remotely true either.

    Free history lesson: Turns out there was a little more to Hitler than just saying some meanie head things.
     
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    Sounds quite leftist to me, toss out due process, guilty until proven innocent.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Care to back up that bigotry with some facts?
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    It got you going though, didn't it. That was the point. Trump used Mexican immigrants to scare up his base, give them a scape goat to hate on. It is what authoritarians do.
     
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    That and it obviously isn't just the illegal ones Trump has a problem with.
     
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    Sounds exactly like what Trump proposed, actually.
     
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    Trump used Mexican criminals not immigrants to make his point.

    Going forward try to follow facts not leftists propaganda.
     
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    one assumes the NRA members have been protesting the confiscation by taking to the streets.
     
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    well finally someone has come right out and stated Trump’s objective. Not just to remove illegal Mexicans from the US but all Mexicans.
     
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    I'm pretty sure that Trump, and a good portion of his base, would prefer no Mexicans lived in the US. It is kind of hard to avoid it when a forth of the United States used to be part of Mexico, and the people came with the land.
     
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    Hardly, most of them are too busy working a real job to be involved in that nonsense.
     
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    You have no clue what you are talking about, In Hendry which is highly Mexican Trump was widely supported by the Mexicans who are legal citizens, not the criminal Mexicans he was referring to. .
     
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    really. Got data to back that up!
     
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    Just as much as you do to backup your claim.
     
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    The Left Kook Marxists calling for death of Trump, on the other hand, they can keep their AR15 of course, since they are righteous social warriors advancing a new better utopian world order and freeing the world of the oppression of Caucasian males... :roflol:
     
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    The Brown Shirts aka Storm Troopers were Nazis. IOW, national socialists.
    The NSDAP was a working class party that eventually attracted much of the SDP and KPD to its ranks.As the Old Left shrank the national socialist vote exploded.

    “[T]he bourgeois parties emerged from the elections as no match for the NSDAP, which had gained the support of most of the voters the others lost. By capturing 36.3% of the votes and increasing their representation from 6 to 162, the Nazis scored one of their greatest election triumphs. They displaced the SPD, which plummeted from 136 to 94 seats, as the strongest party iin the new parliament of Germany’s largest state.” Henry Ashby Turner, Jr., "German Big Business & the Rise of Hitler,” Oxford University Press 1985, pp. 224, 225.
     
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    Eh, the Storm Troopers ended up on the anti-socialist side of the party . . . with Hitler.

    The SDP remained the NSDAP's biggest political rival until the Nazis outlawed their party.

    There were two wings of the Nazi party: the socialist wing under the Strasser brothers and the nationalist/volkish wing under Hitler. Hitler won. The socialists left the party and were exiled, except for Gregor Strasser who stuck around long enough to get murdered by the party.
     
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    The Brown Shirts that were purged were hard core national socialists. Much of there membership came from the SPD and KPD.

    The conflict between Rohm and Hitler had noting to do with socialism.
    Rohm tried to take over the military, and was predictable murdered.
    The SA remained part of the NSDAP until the end of the war under pro-Hitler leadership.

    "In Dusseldorf the "Deutsche Bergwerks-Zeitung" observed in the midst of the election[1932] campaign that if a reader did not immediately recognize a Nazi newspaper from its masthead, he would often have difficulty deciding whether what he read had been written by a Communist, a Social Democrat, or a Nazi." Henry Ashby Turner Jr., "German Big Business and the Rise of Hitler" p. 280.
     
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    I don't think it's correct to say that the Socialist and Communist Party rank and file went over to the Nazis in large numbers. Some did, of course, from the paramilitary organizations. They were called 'roastbeefs' by other Nazis: brown on the outside, but still red on the inside.

    In the last free national election the Germans were allowed to have, the SPD and KPD between them got 37% of the vote, as against 33% for the Nazis, which was a drop of 4% for them since the elections in the Spring of that year.

    Hitler was an intelligent guy, with respect to tactics, and after the 'Beer Hall Putsch' he realized he should not try to take power against the armed organs of the German state, which were in any event pretty conservative already. He build his private army, but took advantage of the insane policies of the Communists, dictated to them by Stalin, which labelled the Socialist Party as the "main enemy" and made it impossible for the two parties to co operate. In Parliament the Nazis had 196 seats, the Socialists had 121 and the Communists had 100. Had the two parties of the workingclass Left cooperated they could have prevented Hitler being made Chancellor.

    In other words, Hitler owed his victory to Stalin.
     
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    God bless you, Friend, and expand your territory.
    FDR and his brain trust LOVED the fascists in Europe and said we're all fascists now. They were of course Democrats. "Smart" (wink, nudge) ones.
     
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    So you do admit to altering what was actually said ;) WOW, now I understand why the leftist propagandist are so popular with the Democratic party :)

     
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    What is wrong with these dumps in the northwest? What is it that attracts these kind of people there?
     
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    Somehow I'm not believing you.
     
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    You are more or less proving the scape goat theory. Those Mexican criminals. I've ran into quite a few Mexicans in my life. Criminal isn't a word that comes to mind.
     
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    For those of you who don't know him, Fred Reed is a ferociously-conservative commentator, former Marine, someone who writes things about the racial reality of the US which would curl the hair of any liberal ... but ... he lives in Mexico, has a Mexican wife and Mexican grandchildren, and so writes very interesting things about the question of Hispanics in, and coming into, the US.

    Here is a recent column: https://www.unz.com/freed/immigration-and-teething-pains/


    It should be of interest to everyone, Left or Right.
     

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