SEN. TOM COTTON: war with Iran would be just ‘two strikes’

Discussion in 'United States' started by Mandelus, May 16, 2019.

  1. Eadora

    Eadora Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2010
    Messages:
    4,448
    Likes Received:
    933
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think you will find that - "All the fervent, foaming-at-the mouth" - was anti- Iranian
    ..........rehetoric & bullying. Done by Bolton & Pompeo, the resident NEOCON Zionist
    ...........................................................................War Mongers within the Stump administration
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2019
  2. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    18,965
    Likes Received:
    3,421
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Well they can't both so I do not know what you are talking about.

    and so the US can bomb Iran. It can destroy Iran. It can show the world the ugliness of itself but it cannot win. To win it would need to take over Iran and that as you admit calling it occupy, it cannot do. So the US can destroy the country of Iran simply because it wants to, not because it has done anything wrong because it is the US not Iran who has failed to keep its treaties. The US can do this totally alone - oh except of course for the UAE and Saudi Arabia - maybe Israel will fight with you but most people seem to be suggesting she will let you get on with it - of course Israel will give you intel, so Israel too. These will be your new allies but old allies will be a thing of the past.

    and when the US has finished its wanton destruction Iran will quietly and quickly have nukes ready for the next time.

    and without that it cannot win a war with Iran. It may be able to destroy the infrastructure and it may be able to commit genocide, Trump has already threatened it but without going into Iran the United States can win no war with Iran. It will simply be the most hated country in the world and then some, if it destroys the infrastructure of Iran and tries genocide.

    No idea what that is about. I am not Iranian and the Iranians will not do that. They will have some nice nukes ready aimed for the United States of America and there will be nothing you can do about it because from what you are saying you will be too **** scared to go in which is just as well as you would be there for decades and lose. Iran unlike Iraq is not alone. I suspect your illusions that everything is on your side will be your undoing, just as it was with the equally illegal war you fought in Iraq bringing into being ISIS and the beginning of the destruction of the ME states Israel did not like following 'clean break'.
    I never said anything about Iran fighting a religious war. Iran is not the one wanting war here. It is the United Sates who has reneged on its Treaty and trying to find a way to go to war. It wouldn't be Iran starting a Religious War. It is the United States of America, Saudi Arabia and UAE who want a war against Iran for religious reasons. Iran does not want to go to war. That is why she spent two years coming to a deal which everyone was happy with but the US for religious reasons reneged on.
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2019
  3. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why was it a 'delusion'? Are the Iraqi people, or Arabs, democracy averse?

    In fact millions of Iraqi people defied the Islamists when they turned out to vote, risking their lives to do so.

    Democracy really had a chance until BHO removed the troops in December 2011. In retrospect, that may have been the worst political blunder in US history.
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2019
    XXJefferson#51 likes this.
  4. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    copy
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2019
  5. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You mean like my wife?

    Yes, the tribes were treated very badly. They however were not mass murdered by the millions.
     
  6. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2016
    Messages:
    25,747
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yep, they were mass murdered over three hundred years.
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2019
  7. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    By whom? In fact they were not.
     
  8. Phyxius

    Phyxius Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2015
    Messages:
    15,965
    Likes Received:
    21,593
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    There were approximately 7 million Native Americans in what would become the continental US before Jamestown. By 1791 there were less than 600,000. Did 6.4 million people self-deport to Fiji? In Mexico, it was much worse - 25+ million reduced to less than one million in not even a century (1520-1600). Wake up and smell the bullshit in your post, Fred...
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2019
    JakeStarkey likes this.
  9. JessCurious

    JessCurious Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2019
    Messages:
    453
    Likes Received:
    291
    Trophy Points:
    63
    No one knows how many Native Americans lived in what is now the Continental United States. There may have been only one to two million. A hunter-gatherer lifestyle requires vast amounts of land to support
    relatively small populations. Most Natives died from communicable diseases, not bullets. That would have happened no matter how friendly relations were with the whites. As far as actual warfare goes Native
    Americans killed more whites than the otherway around (including five of my ancestors - Richard Otis, his two year-old daughter Hannah, Stephen Otis and his wife Mary, and Stephen's brother Nicholas. A
    sister of Stephen and Nicholas, Experience, was captured and scalped alive - she survived but died only two years later at 32. Little Hannah was killed by having her head smashed against a staircase. I'm
    not blaming anyone - just pointing out that the wars were brutal on both sides. No, my last name is not Otis, they have thousands of descendants).
     
  10. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2016
    Messages:
    25,747
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Alexa is wrong.

    America, yes, is stupid if we try to occupy it, but America/Israel will toast it and let the Iranians live in the dark for a decade if the Iranians get stupid.

    Those who deny that the American Indians were genocided know differently.

    So one wonders what is their insidious objective.
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2019
    Phyxius likes this.
  11. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,844
    Likes Received:
    63,175
    Trophy Points:
    113
    they were mass murdered, and we do not know the exact count, it was a lot
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2019
  12. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So you agree that these native Americans were mass murdered? Where did they put all the bodies and how were these mass murders carried out? Perhaps you should submit some facts before you make your stupid, and false, accusations.
     
  13. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Mass murdered by whom? How was it carried out? Who was responsible? Can you name some names here, where they took place, and who gave the orders to carry out these mass murders?
     
  14. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No one knows how many native Americans were in North America when the Europeans arrived nor when the Vikings first came. There were settlers spreading out all over North America, Mexico and Central and South America over the decades, not census takers.

    And, of course, Native Americans were always at war with other Native Americans.
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2019
  15. Phyxius

    Phyxius Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2015
    Messages:
    15,965
    Likes Received:
    21,593
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    To paraphrase Jake:

    Those who deny that the American Indians were victims of genocide know differently, so one wonders what is their insidious objective.

    It's right up there with Holocaust denial. Be proud...
     
  16. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    LOL!! So you have no evidence whatsoever but will take it to the nest level and equate it with "Holocaust denial".

    There is a mountain of evidence that the Holocaust occured -names, photos, recordings, witnesses, official records, confessions, the sites where they took place. Yet you have nothing and try to publicly preen your self aggrandized virtue by suggesting I'm a Holocaust denier. You're full of crap and you've always known it.
     
  17. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2016
    Messages:
    25,747
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The deniers can argue about American Indians and mass murder all they want, ignoring the evidence and expertise of the forensic analysts.

    The deniers are in the vast minority, will stay there, and gain no respect whatsoever.
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2019
    Phyxius likes this.
  18. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,844
    Likes Received:
    63,175
    Trophy Points:
    113
    by those that wanted their land... capitalists
     
  19. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So it was the 'Capitalists' who committed mass murder, much like the Communists in the last century.

    Who were these Capitalists? Do they have names?
     
  20. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Fred C Dobbs likes this.
  21. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Please see the list i posted.
     
  22. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Mostly by the spanish, british and eachother
     
  23. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Great post, thanks, but it doesn't mention how many on either side were Capitalists.
     
  24. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    With some knowledge of what went on in Latin America I'd say the Spanish were the worst. There is genocide and slavery going on today but leftists seem to take more interest in what happened centuries past.
     
  25. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,844
    Likes Received:
    63,175
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2019

Share This Page