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Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lesh, May 3, 2020.

  1. Lesh

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    He's just trolling. It's what he does
     
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    You;re avoiding the fact you cannot substantiate any of your claims.
    It's what you do.
     
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    It would seem so.
     
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    Was it a Republican Governor that ordered Nursing Homes in his state to accept patients that have COVID-19? Or was that Democrat Governor Cuomo? When the death tolls started rising in the nursing homes, He announced that he was going to have them investigated. He also added that they did not have a right to argue against mixing infected patients with those that aren't infected. Now, two months later, New York has had more Nursing Home deaths related to COVID-19 then any other state, Cuomo has reversed his decision. Common Sense states that you do not mix infected patients with those that are not infected. Unless your trying to get every one of them killed. So, where is your outrage at that.

    My wife is 74 years old. She does not leave the house. The only ones that she comes into contact with is me her personal attendant. Both me and her attendant wears masks and practice social distancing when we have to go out into public. On Friday, this state will start relaxing the stay home requirements. That does not mean that we are going to stop doing what we are currently doing. The fact is, that it is up to the individual, and family members, what steps are to be taken to protect our love one. It is called personal responsibility. I do not expect the President or Governor to decide for me how best to protect my wife. So, relaxing the stay home orders do not make it safer or less safe. The responsibility is yours.
     
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    No! It was Trump dragging his feet to do his job and get us prepared for the epidemic when he had a chance, instead of minimizing it!

    Right wingers are still unable to understand what "public health" means.

    This is not a matter of how you protect your wife. It's a matter of whether or not, whatever you or anybody... (I'm not trying to make this personal) does or doesn't do to protect their wife, puts my wife, and my sons, and my friends, and my fellow countrymen and... me... in danger
     
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    Best advice... DO NOT!!!!!!! Let your family talk you into a nursing home...
     
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    I get it now. You dream of this country becoming a Nanny State. You want the government to tell you what you can and can't do. A world where personal responsibility is not needed. The President, Governor or Mayor tells you what to do, and you do it like a mindless sheep.

    Here is the problem with that. Think about Prohibition, the anti-drug laws and current gun laws. Did/do they work? Did the government passing a law guarantee that every one would comply with those laws? Answer: No! If you watch the news, then you would see that there are many that are defying the stay home orders. Restaurants reopening despite the orders within their state. Protestors blatantly ignoring theses orders. So, in the end, it is up to use to protect our loved one.

    As far as President Trump not doing enough, I have stated that I reject your fake narrative, historical revisionist, timeline. You have the right to say and believe what you want, but that does not mean that I have to believe it. I make my decisions based on facts not liberal rhetoric.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    And time is exactly what you are taking away from some people.

    Maybe even yourself, but then you'll be proud to die for Trump, I guess.
     
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    Not one covid death is Trump's fault or in any way relsted to anything Trump did or did not do.. end of story.. all other assertions are flat out lies that come from a place no American should be..

    Thiscis not a matter of opinion. It's a fact.
     
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    I dream of a country in which the idiotic things that some people do don't put the life of the rest of us in danger.

    If that's what you want to call a "Nanny State"... you're damn right I'm in favor. It's only children who need a "nanny". Without one, they are a danger to themselves and to others. And if anybody needs the state to be their nanny because they can't behave like adults, I'm ok with that.

    I don't give a crap about what you "believe". I'm only interested in what you do. And if what you do puts the life of innocent people at risk, then I have no problem when this... "nanny state" you fear so much, drags your ass to jail.
     
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    You don't have the right to tell other people what to do, it is absolutely none of your business. If you are scared of getting sick it is incumbent upon you and no one else to stay in your home and linit your own actions.
    It has absolutely nothing to do with anyone else a d no one owes you anything in that regard..
     
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    We have vastly different ideas of what constitutes idiotic behavior that puts people at risk.. the purpose of the constitution is to protect people from those thinking as you do.
    People who " don't care what others believe"

    I dream of and will fight for a place where there is constitutional rule and freedom the way our founding fathers imagined and accomplished.

    Are you prepared for your nanny state to kill millions of Americans? They'll have to. Now what sounds idiotic?
     
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    **** you too. If I ever get bedridden or lose all cognitive sense I want to be kept alive for as long as possible. I am also one of those oldsters who downright wants to be a burden on my children. They were sure as hell enough of a burden on me:p (not really, I am fortunate enough that I have offspring who go out of their way to help me out, maybe there is something to this loving your children business)
     
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    Any responsible person has a right to tell others what to do if they put your life or that of your family at risk out of pure stupidity.

    The purpose of laws is to enforce this so we are not constantly going after the dumb citizen's throat.
     
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    I don't have any idea whatsoever. I cheat! I follow the expert's ideas.

    If you have a different idea from the experts.... you're on your own. And I wouldn't bet on your genes to be the ones that prove Darwin wrong.
     
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    You do not get to define what is and is not responsible behavior. Or what actions are pure stupidity

    You are wrong about the purpose of laws. The purpose of laws are to uphold the constitution.

    Here are a list of things i believe are irresponsible because they hurt people.

    Getting drunk.. we should ration alchohol to 6 oz per day to keep people from from being stupid

    Using narcotics. Jail everone caught with the garbage

    Abortion jail everyone who seeks one, including the men who got the woman pregnant

    Pre and extra marital sex. All it does is spread disease

    Driving over 25 miles per hour is clearly stupid and puts peoples lives in danger

    I think you should get the point by now...
     
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    And I don't,. Experts do! And they do it in such a thorough and technical way that they make "stupidity" an objective parameter with which people can be properly measured.
     
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    The quarantining is emphatically NOT meant to stay on forever. Indeed it isn't even meant to stay on until treatments or a vaccine are found. Those nations that have been successful in dealing with the pandemic never had those objectives and are opening back up now. They have all had relatively few deaths

    The several objectives of the quarantine are to give us time to ready the hospitals, to give everyone (not just hospital workers) effective PPE, and mainly to test a substantial number of people and have adequate contact tracing in place.

    Trump does not seem to have those objectives. Indeed he seems to be blocking them and from this I can only conclude that he means to promote as much death as he can and to profit by it as much as he can get away with. Why we are letting this evil man kill us for his own gain is truly beyond me
     
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    We are already following the recommendations of experts. What's your point.. the who recommends the re opening of wuhan wet markets..
    We wear masks and gloves and wash our hands and try to maintain 6 feet around us.
    That however is not and cannot be a permanent or even a long term solution.

    You may not like it but people have the right to be free, you however don't have the right to be safe from their choices.
     
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    Suppose the experts gave a Great Depression and everybody got suckered into it.
     
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    What about when "experts " disagree which is so common it could be called universal.
     
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    That's what Democratic "experts" are trying to do but they are only experts on lies, deception and hatred
     
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    Again if you don't want to interact with stupid people doing stupid normal every day things, it is YOUR responsibility to stay home.
    It is not the responsibility of stupid people doing every day normal things to keep YOU from getting sick..

    You know i take that all back.. sick is just a state of being, as is stupid for that matter.

    Poor is also a state of being..

    I think it's everyone elses responsibility to make sure i don't become poor....
     
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    Tell me this. If you do what you are supposed to do, such as social distancing, how can the actions of someone else affect you? If your family and friends are doing what they are supposed to do, how can they be at risk? Of course you can point to the sick individuals that intentionally put others at risk. But they are few and far between. No law will ever stop them from doing what they want to do. So, no matter how you cut it, your safety is your responsibility.

    Now, if you want to live in a nanny state, I can provide you a list. But the United States will not be on that list. You might want to remember when then -Governor Bloomberg tried to ban Big Gulps. It did not make it through the courts challenges.
     
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    Absolutely unadulterated BS.

    I have no responsibility whatsoever for your health. It's 100% on YOU..

    I can be as stupid as i want in regard to covid 19 and its absolutely none of your business.

    And your wrong about Trump. I believe you know you are wrong and i believe your comments come from anger and hatred because he won fair and square in 2016.
    But that's just my opinion based on the fact that everything you post is anti Trump bs.
     

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