Anybody who is not following the guidelines is a walking, talking disease carrier. More disease carriers means more people get infected. You really didn't realize this? What I'm "supposed" to be doing is fixing my client's networks, computers, delivering new equipment... Going out for groceries, gas, post office, .... It is unavoidable for me to interact with people. And the precautions I take minimize, but don't eliminate the chances of me getting them sick if I unknowingly become infected. And the precautions they take minimize the same of them getting me sick, and me getting my family, and the post office clerk, and getting the virus on the gas nozzle at the gas station... But if, in all this, some idiot refuses to wear a mask, or follow the guidelines, then the chances of all of the above becoming infected increase. I'm amazed that right wingers can't figure this out on their own. Even my 11 year old understood it the first day he heard of a pandemic. If there is a law that you can't go out for no reason or you get fined, it might not prevent you from going out, but at least you'll be paying for my ventilator in case I get sick. But if you get somebody sick because you refused to follow common sense, it's your responsibility. And if you spread around idiotic nonsense, you share the responsibility of anybody who believed you and got somebody sick and died... or that somebody they came in contact with got sick and died... or somebody they came in contact with... You get the picture. It's not complicated. I have no idea why the right is having such a hard time understanding something this obvious. I only want to live in a nanny state if there are idiots who can't behave like adults and need a nanny to give them a good whacking. And if extremists on the right keep refusing to act responsibly, it might be what they are getting us into.
No you don't! You take them because there is a pandemic and you don't want to be responsible for somebody's death (probably including yourself). The only thing the guidelines do is tell you how to do that.
Now you want to argue semantics.. great If i was worries about myself, I'd take the 21 day emergency paid leave my company offers to anyone who feels they need it. All restrictions need to be off by the 4th of july regardless of health concerns. At that point the cure is worse than the disease.. That's reasonable. But hey Democrats, you got your wish, the economy is trashed..
Strange, I didn't know that Computer repair was considered an essential service. Sounds to me that you are complaining about others violating the Stay Home/Social Distancing policies while you ignore them yourself. I guess that makes you a good liberal, but frankly I think you would hate living in a nanny state. All them rules and regulations what you refuse to follow. You would end up as Bubba's prom date every night.
Are you ****ing kidding me? Do you not realize that we live in a computer world? Pharmacies, supermarkets, just about everything depends on computers. My company has issued stay at home/work from home orders. Things are pretty slow...except for the IT folks who are going NUTS trying to keep up
Wait... You're on your computer. Why do you take the risk of forcing some poor IT guy to come out to your place and fix your computer, potentially exposing both you and him to the certain death that is CV-19? You only think of yourself.
No! I want to argue obligations as a person of the United States. As a person of the United States you are obligated to not put the life of any other of we the people in jeopardy due to negligence. If you can find a way to mentally communicate with Mr. Coronavirus and negotiate that with him or her, then you're in business. Mind you... the only way all restrictions could be off (maybe) by July 4th is either that governors and the people go completely nuts, or that we all shelter in place until then. But states that are not ready to reopen, are reopening anyway. So that make your "deadline" highly unlikely. Right now models point to October. But as more and more states start acting stupidly, that target date keeps extending. If they start making rational decisions, it might be sooner than October. Maybe not July 4, but hopefully somewhere not too far from there.
Uhmmmm you didn't know that computers are essential? I thought you lived in the U.S. How's life in Somalia?
The time the cure became worse than the disease passed a month ago. BTW, the "models" these "experts" are posting have been wrong 100% of the time.
You know.... I thought I was exaggerating, the times I've said that Trump supporters don't know how epidemics work. Now I'm starting to realize that they really don't understand it. I've been having to explain that people can carry the disease even if they themselves show no symptoms. Looks like they're surprised to hear this. I think we've been hearing this since... February at least. But they really, truly, didn't know this. And that's only one thing. They recently "discovered" that staying 6 feet apart doesn't guarantee that we don't get infected. That a mask protects others, but not the wearer. I like to call it their "Very few people know this, but Lincoln was a Republican" moment. What is Fox telling these guys?
They could rise. No doubt. We don't know. But we do understand the disaster involved in creating an economic depression. It will make the virus seem like a minor nuisance.
Please provide your state's executive order that states that Computer Repairman is considered an essential worker. If not, then admit you are violating your state's stay home order by not shutting down your business.
I have asked Golem to provide his states executive order that identifies that Computer Repairmen are considered essential workers. That are a lot of businesses that we might consider essential in our lives, but that does not mean that they were not required to shut their doors during the shutdown.
Nope when it comes to your health i have exactly 0 obligations. If you don't want to get sick by all means stay home, unless you're in a nursing home, then get the hell out as fast as you can. Again your health is your obligation not mine, your rights end where mine start, you have no rights to not catch a virus from me through normal every day activities. States are opening up because they have to. This country can operate just fine with a virus floating around, it cannot operate or even exist into the NEAR future if we don't let the people have their constitutional rights. Lastly, the experts are always wrong..
Are you out of your fu... ??? You actually didn't know that I.T. (that's Information Technology, which includes all aspects of computer communications, networking, software, hardware, databases and infrastructure... which you probably didn't know either) is essential to run businesses, run... everything.... including medical facilities? That's beyond amazing!!! Here. Look for all instances of Information Technology, Communications, Networks, etc.. The services we provide are listed no less than five different times throughout the document as our services relate to different aspects of the economy (healthcare, government, private businesses, etc.) https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/orders/2020/EO_20-91-compressed.pdf Now it's your turn, buddy.... I did your research for you. So I get to ask questions. First of all, you need to clearly formally retract your insinuation that maintaining computer and network software and hardware is not absolutely essential. The only service by the private sector more essential are probably healthcare workers. I got news for you. nothing runs without computers, networks and I.T. communication systems. Not supermarkets, not hospitals, not clinics, not the government, not local authorities... nothing! Once you send that retraction, I need you to explain why in the world you would even doubt this. I'm starting to wonder if you know that healthcare workers are considered "essential". But I don't think there are many human beings alive who doesn't understand how vital Information Technology is to every single aspect of our life. So I want you to explain how it's possible that you would be one of a very few group of living breathing human beings on this planet that don't know this.
You do. You have the obligation to behave in public in a way in which you don't endanger the health and life of others. And, in cases of a public health crisis, your government can be given special authority and obligation to enforce them. Our laws are lenient and typically won't ask more than is reasonably necessary. But if this pandemic were to become completely unsustainable, you might want to get ready for restrictions and demands that you have not seen in your short life, and never expected. Welcome to reality!
The way you described your job, you could be anyone from an onsite network manager to the someone that runs a computer mill out of his basement. I thinking that from the amount of time your on this site, you really not getting much work done. So, maybe your a essential worker, and maybe not. The real point that I am making is that you have made the decision to get out there and work. It is your responsibility to protect yourself, and to ensure that you do not take anything unwanted home to your family. If you are doing this, then no matter what anyone else is doing, you will be safe. As long as each member of your family is doing that, your whole family is safe. It does not matter what anyone else does. It does not matter what the Government does. It is all meaningless without personal responsibility. Otherwise, you can take a page out of the germophobic Howard Hughes book.
Sure... I repair my client's networks from my basement. Dude! I live in Florida. We don't even have basements! Enough said.... let's see the retraction. I'm not going to debate Information Technology with somebody who doesn't even understand what computers are used for... Retractions, please. I don't f**king care what point you're trying to make. You already failed! You lost all credibility. Now, to try to recover a tiny portion, all you need to do is retract and answer the question. . WTF??? Where is your retraction? You made me do your research for you. I did that in good faith. Now all you have to do is retract and answer the question I asked. Stop delaying...
