Sessions Being Shammed Forced To Quit?

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  1. Xtremenerd

    Xtremenerd Well-Known Member

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    for the good of the country, Sessions must stay AG
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure they would. Neither major party in my opinion has any core values. Just whatever works to get them elected or re-elected. In the pursuit of power, anything goes.
     
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    What did Obama get away with? He didn't open a fake university, defraud his students, and escape jail. He didn't badmouth the people he appointed to his cabinet. He didn't declare multiple bankruptcies to defraud the people to whom he owed money. He didn't misuse his power to try to get revenge on those who ran against him for office. He didn't make hundreds of millions of dollars by using the presidency to steer business to his enterprises. It is well-documented that Trump did all of those things.

    The list is very long of the dishonest things that Trump has done and Obama has not, but I don't want to get carpal tunnel syndrome by typing them all. In summation, Obama was an honorable president whatever his failings as a leader. Trump is neither honorable nor a leader. Open your eyes and write facts instead of posting unsubstantiated and untrue accusations.

    As to Trump's "power," when power is exercised to that extreme, a better name for it is authoritarianism. Trump's "actual policy advancement?" Health-care reform? Tax reform? An infrastructure program? Creating a positive image of the United States throughout the world? Closer relations with our allies? What advancements? The man has zero substantial achievements as president other than nominating a Supreme Court justice.

    Barack Obama was far from being an ideal president, but no one has substantiated any accusations of dishonesty. Trump, in contrast, is a disaster as president, and his pathway to riches and the presidency is littered with the innocent people whom he walked over and defrauded to get there. That is documented.
     
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    Sessions never said he recused himself because of any contact with any Russians. As far as I know, that idea is a media creation. His stated reason for recusing himself from any investigation into the Trump campaign was that he was part of the campaign. Would anyone accept the idea of his investigation of himself?
     
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    Obama is a rat. His reelection was based upon the largest case of fraud (Obummercare) I have seen in my lifetime. He broke the law a lot, and the media anointed him emperor and didn't cover any of it. Probably why you're blind to that reality.
     
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    If Mueller gets fired, Republicans start thinking about impeachment, not just the dems. An innocent man would be trying to get the investigation over with, not squashed by unethical means.
     
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    I believe that may be correct!
     
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    tomander7020 Well-Known Member

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    As I wrote before, quote some facts to support your statements instead of making baseless accusations. Making up stuff and writing it in a post convinces no one except those who already share the same misconceptions.
     
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    I am not a Jeff Sessions fan, but I must say I feel some sympathy for him at present. The rodent-faced guy has no good choices. He gave up a career as a senator in exchange for six months as attorney general.

    Trump has made it clear that he wants Sessions gone. What is the man to do? Give into pressure, resign, and scrap his political career? Or should he hang on knowing that Trump will fire him if that's the only way to get rid of him?

    When Donald Trump fired Comey as FBI director, it opened an obstruction of justice investigation. I believe that the only reason that Trump has not yet fired Sessions is to not give more credibility to that investigation. However, Trump has a history of acting against his own interest in a fit of anger, and I believe he is capable of doing it again.

    Once Sessions is gone, what happens? The rumor is that Trump will nominate Rudy Giuliani as the next attorney general. I can't imagine enough Republican senators voting for that weasel to get him approved, and no Democrat would vote for him.
     
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    I've already heard a couple Republican Senators on Fox say it would be very hard to get a new AG confirmed.
     
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    It's the only shot Trump has to survive.

    From what we've seen lately from Republicans...they'll confirm a rock if Trump tells them to
     
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    Mindless minions? Is that anything like Gruber's morons? We should exchange links and see who has the documentation.
     
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    Looks like HereWeGoAgain nailed it
     
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    I think the worst case of fraud since Enron is pretty good start. I'm not gonna spell it out for you, you have the internet, google it. If you want to keep your head buried in the sand that's on you.

    Edit: http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/19/10-ways-obama-violated-constitution-presidency/

    Here, I found it in 2 seconds. Don't be lazy.
     
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    You found what? a wing nut website that call Obamacare and Dodd-Frank unconstitutional?

    Based on what? Certainly not any SC rulings
     
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    Donald Dump the money launderer is telling his rubes that he wants Sessions gone because of his being not hard enough on Hillary. The orange turd has already revealed that this is total a bull ****...

    Trump says 'we don't care' about 'lock her up' chant anymore


    COMEY FIRED FOR BEING "Too Mean To Hillary Clinton" ???

     
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    Yeah almost as bad as going after political groups by the IRS.
     
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    The headline in that article is quite accusatory, but when you read and analyze the article, there is no real substance to back it up. If you think that website is worth reading, you need some training in critical thinking and the ability to analyze.

    I repeat, if you make accusations, please back them up with facts. Otherwise, they mean nothing.

    Have you reflected on where you fall in the continuum implied in your signature?
     
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    Okay, let's look at the regulations.

    28 USC Section 528 provides:

    The Attorney General shall promulgate rules and regulations which require the disqualification of any officer or employee of the Department of Justice, including a United States attorney or a member of such attorney's staff, from participation in a particular investigation or prosecution if such participation may result in a personal, financial, or political conflict of interest, or the appearance thereof. Such rules and regulations may provide that a willful violation of any provision thereof shall result in removal from office.

    28 CFR Section 45.2 provides, in part:

    Disqualification arising from personal or political relationship.
    (a) Unless authorized under paragraph (b) of this section, no employee shall participate in a criminal investigation or prosecution if he has a personal or political relationship with:
    (1) Any person or organization substantially involved in the conduct that is the subject of the investigation or prosecution; or
    (2) Any person or organization which he knows has a specific and substantial interest that would be directly affected by the outcome of the investigation or prosecution ...

    (c) For the purposes of this section:
    (2) Personal relationship means a close and substantial connection of the type normally viewed as likely to induce partiality. ... Whether relationships (including friendships) of an employee to other persons (outside his or her family) or organizations are "personal" must be judged on an individual basis with due regard given to the subjective opinion of the employee.

    So you want to explain, given the above, why Mueller is still acting as Special Council?

    True enough. Even more the above question needs to be asked...
     
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    Perhaps you're right, but several senators and even the normally obsequious Paul Ryan have expressed their disapproval of Trump's treatment of Sessions. If Trump wants to remain president, I think the dumbest thing he could do is fire Sessions. Jeff Sessions is a very conservative Republican who is very well regarded among the right-wing members of both the House and the Senate. If Trump is ever brought down, I think the most conservative Republicans will be among the loudest crying for his hide.
     
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    If you understood the regulations that you quoted, you would understand why they don't disqualify Mueller. He is not the subject of the investigation, and there is no evidence (making a distinction between evidence and your opinion) that Robert Mueller has a substantial relationship with anyone who "would be directly affected by the outcome...." The person who would benefit from the outcome is Mike Pence, and I doubt if VP Pence has a substantial relationship with Mueller.

    An off-topic remark: if Trump falls, those who will benefit will be conservative Republicans, because the United States will have the first conservative president since George W. Bush.

    Additionally, you didn't include paragraph (b),

    "If the supervisor determines that a personal or political relationship exists between the employee and a person or organization described in paragraph (a) of this section, he shall relieve the employee from participation unless he determines further, in writing, after full consideration of all the facts and circumstances...."

    Robert Mueller's supervisor, Rod Rosenstein, appointed Mueller, so he obviously has considered "all of the facts and circumstances" and determined that there is no conflict. You may feel otherwise, but you are not the person that the law puts in the position of making that judgement.
     
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    I'll explain to you -- as has been explained about 300 times now, Mueller has no personal relationship with Comey beyond a work relationship - nor is he subject of the investigation.

    It is nothing at all like Sessions being officially on the Trump campaign, being asked to investigate....the Trump campaign.

    The second part about anyone making campaign contributions...HA! Stoopid on stilts. Hell, Trump himself, his son in law, his latest hire of Baghdad Mooch have donated more to dems than all of those few investigators combined -- Times 10.
     
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    Several Senators claimed they wouldn't vote for the Healthcare abomination they just voted for
     
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    They didn't actually vote for the healthcare bill. Unless I misunderstand, they only voted to debate it. Let's see what happens when the bill itself comes up for a vote after the debate and amendments.
     
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    They voted to debate one of three bills of which they have no idea which will be actually debated. The "debate" will be a sham formality and the amendment process will be a joke

    Within two days they will pass whatever mess McConnell decides on.

    THAT vote was it
     
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