Sessions Being Shammed Forced To Quit?

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    Mueller's conflict is seen in his connections with Comey(which led to the Special Prosecutor in the first place), and then B: Mueller's own conflicts in his partisan hiring choices. Mueller is no longer seen as a neutral independent observer of an investigation, but someone with a clear bias. I don't trust him anymore.

    'A true investigation has no bias, this one has a lot of bias riding in it.
     
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    Not even close.
     
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    Comey is not a subject of the investigation so there is no conflict there. Also, whether or not you trust Mueller is irrelevant. His supervisor trusts him, and that's the only thing that counts unless Trump makes the same mistake Nixon did and starts firing people in the Justice Department. Trump seems dumb enough to do that.
     
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    He's the REASON there is an investigation. That's worse than being a subject of it. Without Comey leaking the memos, there's no special prosecutor. Comey and Mueller are joint to hip. You can't deny it(and don't even try). Because of that, his impartiality is greatly impaired. He hasn't even made a statement affirming that impartiality, he just assumes it'll be given to him.

    And his supervisor shouldn't even trust him since as Trump said: The probe dealt with the Russian investigation, now it's being expanded to his financial deals? Mueller is taking liberties, and apparently we're all okay with this.
     
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    Dems were in control of the House, and the Senate and that means they were in control of Judiciary Committees in both chambers as well as the Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities. None of this history is going to repeat as long as the GOP hold Congress. There will be no momentum as long as Republicans decide who to subpoena, and which documents, and who to offer immunity to and whether the hearings are open or closed, televised or not. the chair of the committee decides what kinds of questions are in order and what kinds are not in order.
     
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    I think people have too much faith in the Republicans. Far too many of them are the same type of swamp creatures as the Democrats. I wouldn't put it past them to cut his throat as soon as there's an opening.
     
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    He wants Sessions gone so he can bring in someone who will fire Rosenstein. Then Rosentein's replacement will fire Meuller.

    Basically, Trump knows that Meuller is going to find something. He needs him gone ASAP.
     
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    So again (the highlighting being mine):

    28 USC Section 528 provides:

    The Attorney General shall promulgate rules and regulations which require the disqualification of any officer or employee of the Department of Justice, including a United States attorney or a member of such attorney's staff, from participation in a particular investigation or prosecution if such participation may result in a personal, financial, or political conflict of interest, or the appearance thereof. Such rules and regulations may provide that a willful violation of any provision thereof shall result in removal from office.

    I just want to make sure I understand your thinking correctly. You contend that a person whose current position within the Justice Department comes as a direct result of the firing of the person who leaked the notes which got them their job, that is not an actual personal conflict of interest, nor does it give the appearance of being a conflict of interest? Do I have that right? But AG Sessions, because he was a member of the campaign under investigation, that does present either an actual or perceived conflict of interest?

    Apparently it is felt that the reason one instance doesn't warrant a recusal is because the person involved is not a member of those under investigation (although the participation clause seems to have been left intentionally broad). Ok, fine. Then open a second investigation into the leaking done by Comey and the appointment of Mueller. Because one way or another, the circumstances surrounding the Mueller appointment stink to high heaven.
     
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    That was some impressive babble there
     
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    High praise from an expert at offering impressive babble...
     
  11. PARTIZAN1

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    Of course that is it!
     
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    Yes true but the post was in response to someone who claimed Nixon was impeached and he was not.
     
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    Conviction in the Senate would have required 67 votes and the whip count showed that there would have been the votes to convict....which was why Nixon resigned.

    Republicans turned on NIxon.

    That said...the House never would have voted to impeach in the first place (probably) had the GOP held the House
     
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    No, what is driving the investigations is that there is a need to make sure that there was no collusion, no illegal or wrongfully contact with Russians. There is a need to determine if Trump campaign and WH advisors or officials had dealings with Russia that has already or may compromise them in the future.
     
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    Doing just that worked well for Hitler, Stalin and Putin. Putin has stepped it up by simply killing any journalists who report on his criminal activity. Trump would like to make America Great by following in Vlad's footsteps.Trump's performance at the Boy Scout Jamboree, suggests that he would like to turn them into the Trump Youth Corps.
     
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    I doubt Sessions has the moral fiber to force Trump's hand.
     
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    Granted, that is largely because Trump fired the head of the FBI without any warning, lied about why he fired Comey, admitted that he fired Comey because of the Russian investigation, insinuated that he had secret tapes of their private communications, lied several more times about the circumstances leading up to the firing, and then changed his story from one of complete denial about the circumstances leading up to his firing into a story of "I don't remember."
     
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    It's hilarious that Trump minions can't look at Trump stabbing his most dedicated supporter, Sessions in the back, and not see that doing that to his most loyal, Trump will have no problem stabbing ALL his supporters in the back.

    When Trump shoots you on 5th avenue....say thank you, may I have another?
     
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    That may be your opinion, but it is what the law says that counts, and the law does not agree with you.
     
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    No, that's not my opinion. You are making things up and ascribing them to me.
     
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    I watched the Nixon investigative hearings in the Senate on TV, and there were certainly Republicans who were very hard on Richard Nixon, among them Ranking Committee Member Howard Baker and Republican Counsel Fred Thompson, who later became an actor and then a Republican senator. Perhaps politicians of both parties were more willing to act for the good of the nation in those days instead of blindly following the ideology laid down by their tribal leaders.
     
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    Giuliani didn't want the gig. He already said that Sessions was right to recuse himself.

    The thing is, I can't find that the President has the actual authority to fire Cabinet members. The Constitution doesn't give him that power. He can ask for a resignation, but I'm not sure that he can actually terminate their employment.
     
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    There's a very simple explanation for this. If Trump is able to get Sessions to resign, then he can appoint a new AG to work on firing the special counsel and ultimately, Mueller. Sessions committed perjury at his confirmation back in January, so I doubt he bears any moral fiber.

    After all, no one who's ever been innocent has ever had to ask if they can pardon themselves from an investigation, have they?
     
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    Yup, however, some think he may try to get rid of Sessions before/during the Congressional Recess, and make a recess apointment (which only lasts to the end of the Senate session). The recess appointment AG would be the fall guy to get rid of Mueller.

    that said, if Trump does the above, IMHO, that is Nixonian, and should result in impeachment.
     
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    He can.
     

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