Settlements liable to turn Israel into an apartheid state

putting on the tinfoil hat but first thing came across my mind is that Kerry was set up by the Trilateral Commission who let the guy get past them then legitimized the quotes by sending a letter to Kerry confirming Nye sneaked into the meeting room.

 

Kerry is right.

If no two-state solution is created, Israel will become an Apartheid state.

or no longer be a Jewish state.

 

I defer any comment due to my admitted ignorance of the current state of regional and world politics. Just expressed my opinion on a possible coincidence. However if anyone has a link to the Trilateral Commission for dummies page it would be appreciated

never mind wikipedia to the rescue. Whatever the case seems as if someone wanted Kerry and Obama to look like asses or saints depending on your perspective of course

 

But you clearly support annexation of territory through militaristic conquest at least in the case of the Russian invasion and annexation of the Crimea. Perhaps we should hold a referendum in which only settlers are allowed to vote in regarding full incorporation of the settlements into Israel proper.

 

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Is Israel an apartheid state now ?

It all depends on what your definition of is is. Or is it what you know ?

Here is one person's on the ground view of Israel. He thinks it is. He's is a Jew too.
A self-loving Jew. He even wrote a book about it. Recently. Did you even hear about it ? --

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/01/02/inside-israels-apartheid-state/

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Fortunately the US of AIPAC is not a country so we won't have to worry about their support or non support but, carry on Moon, so entertaining!

 

All Israeli citizens have full and equal rights under the law, Palestinians are under military occupation that is not the same thing as apartheid.

 

Please pick up a dictionary and look up the word, it means JEW HATER. If you don't want to use this word just say Jew Hater whenever you see it as that is what it means.

Until they change the English language to suit you it means just what I just stated.

Sorry for the reality check.

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Only if you consider WB and Gaza a full part of Israel, we don't...

A book about self loving ? that's what the internet is for and its free of charge, see, another Jew just stole your money........

Most Israelis feel the occupation is wrong but we simply can't get an agreemnet with them , I predict we will see one sided withdrawal in the following years after the next intifada.

 

Is this Kerry not from the "Cohen-Clan"?

His European ancestors were Kohn, which means Cohen, and the Cohens have special obligations.

 

Yep, Neo-Zionists make hateful blanket statements about Palestinians and advocate collective punishment against all native Semites of Palestine, but if you expose their crimes and their duplicity they call you an "Anti-Semite" and play the "Holocaust-Card".

They call all their perceived enemies (be they Russians, Palestinians, Iranians etc.) "Nazis", "Racists", "Terrorists" and other bad names.

With other words, they project their own hatred on their perceived enemies, they think that it is natural to hate their perceived enemies, but they expect that their perceived enemies should love them despite their actions.

This attitude is stupid, because there is an obvious conflict of interests, everybody has the right to hate people that hate you and endanger your interests.

Name calling will not solve the problem, and the people ate awakening.

 

I would be a supporter of Zionism if the white European invaders, who called themselves "Zionists", would have been received in Palestine with flowers and tears of happiness, like it was with Russians who were received on the Crimean land with joy and happiness.

That is the reason why nobody was killed or expelled on the Crimean Peninsula, no ethnic cleansing, no bulldozers, destroying the homes of the inhabitants of Crimea, no apartheid roads or schools etc.

Just use your brain and eyes and try to see the difference between the ongoing and tolerated land robbery in Palestine and the reunification of the Crimea with Mother-Russia.

 

yep, and this is why I hate Nazis and White Supremacists.

 

He is also 1/2 Anglo-Saxon.

 

If I was an Israeli I'd probably be opposed to the two-state solution. It won't even begin to bring peace. A one-state solution where you simply decided to get along for once has more appeal.

 

There are many Palestinians who are Israeli citizens. They have been relegated to permanent minority status. In other words, if those people begin to reach a point that they could become a majority, they are deported and their homes bulldozed. It's called 'citizenship' but it ain't. That spells apartheid.

 

Israel doesn't deport Israeli Arabs.

 

If you were an Israeli you would be very well aware of the "advantages" of being a minority surrounded by people who hate your guts and of the repercussions of not having one's own state if/when sh&t hits the fan and you and your family have nowhere to run.

You'd know 2,000 years of your history well enough to want to have your own country and keep it at any cost for the sake of your children.

 

In answer to your statement, Drew, Jew (Yehudah) is a follower of Christ. (Romans 2:28-29)
Those who hate the King of Judah and Israel, Jesus Christ, are cut off and cannot be lawfully considered as part of Judah or Israel.

Those who thus pretend to be Judah (Jews) don't count.

 

Ivan I am a Jew. Please do not speak for me. I do not hate anyone. The fact I do not believe Jesus was the messiah or son of God does not mean I hate Christians, hate anyone, and would not be considered a citizen of Israel if I requested citizenship.

In fact as a Jew I would be entitled to citizenship in Israel. I am technically not religious at all.

Like most Israelis and many people my religion is non denominational. When I read the scriptures I do not read them literally. I read them as allegories no different than Aesop's fables. Like Gnostic Christians, I would argue that Jesus never claimed to be the messiah but as a Rabbia would have taught we are al children of God and each one of us is the messiah in the sense that we all have the ability to come to this world to heal it and restablish our connection to "God" through engaging in positive actions.

My actual concept of God is a mathematical one or one that deals with life as an energy field that takes on new forms as it experiences meaning.

I do not see any religion as right or wrong. I do know a lot of humans who use their relgions as weapons or excuses to try tell other people how they must live, think and be.

In regards to Israel I lived there, volunteered there, went to school there and politically would be considered a Rabin labourite and therefore today a supporter of Tzipi Levni if I was Israeli. I do not presume to tell any Israeli or Palestinian what they must do. I do not presume to tell them a damn thing. I bear witness to suffering on both sides of the dispute.

I have witnessed the aftermath of terrorism and I have seen soldiers spit at in the face and children being used as terrorists.

I have been tempted to hate and kill. I do not. I also am at a head space now where when people like you try to tell me what a jew is or a jew hater or what Yehudah means, I take ownership of who I am and say, no you do not speak for me.

I defer to Gilos or another Israeli on this forum or an actual Palestinian to explain their own feelings. I wish them both peace. The fact I support the right of my people to live in a country does not mean I hate Christians or Palestinians. I respect them both.

One other thing. You can read certain people on this thread who make baseless accusations such as Israeli Arabs are deported but the fact is they can not be. The same laws that guartantee Jews worldwide refuge and protection protect the rights of Israeli Arabs. Its the same laws.

Mod edit,,flounder You really want to seize this thread to engage in Christian lectures as to your version of the Bible?

This thread of course tried to seize on the comments of John Kerry. Kerry retracted them as quick as he spit them out showing once again
what a joke he is on world stage. This is also the same blow hard who stated Palestinians are justified in engaging in violence.

He never fails to inflamme matters.

he in my opinion is the worst State Secretary in US history. He and Obama have rendered their foreign policy a collosal embarassment to the American people.

He and Obama have been outmanipulated by Putin and forced Netanyahu's hand at several negotiation stages. They do not understand the saving face requirements that are necessary to build in whether it be Abbas or Netanyahu. Time and time again he has made comments that render them both humiliated in front of their domestic audiences. He does not get it.

Kerry comes from an elitist sheltered world where he thinks he can ponitificate on morality and ethics and all must agree.

He lives in a world where sociopaths in Russia, Iran and syria laugh at him, and Abbas and Netanyahu constantly have to puff themselves up as tough everytime he makes either one look weak with his ultimatums to both.

I will say this one more time. If Colin Powell was the Secretary of State, the tone and direction of Middle East negotiations would be far different and I doubt Putin would have been able to drive a wedge between Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the US and taken advantage of Obama's incompetence on the foreign stage.

The question now is who takes over after Obama. If it is Jeb Bush it will probably take on a far different tone. If its Hilary Clinton, it will be more of this impotent world stage pontification.

 

Two lessons should have been learned by Jews over the past 3000-4000 years. 1) Don't become a Bolshevik and try to overthrow fascists, and 2) pick a country and live in it.

 

"...your own country...". Of course, but the ungrateful Israelis have decided that the land they were so graciously given isn't enough for them, so they gradually erode the Palestinian's land until, eventually, they are 'pushed into the sea'. Now, where have I heard that phrase before...?

 

Can you possibly put it more upside down than that? The jews accepted the partition compromise, the arabs didn't and has since 1948 been trying to eradicate Israel.

 

No, the thread began with an identical appraisal as Kerry's from US Gen. (ret.) James Mattis , last June.

Kerry is simply the latest convert to this truth and the first high-profile mainstream US politician to speak up.

Perhaps it signals an AIPAC-free bid for the White House next year. The free world hopes so.