Should white supremacists have guns?

any group put on the government list... it's no different from the no fly list

 

so we should not have any laws a murderer might break, we should make machine guns easy to get again?

Unlike drugs, not enough people would want assault riffles, so they would be very expensive on the black market and hard to find - as the profit to risk ratio would be low

 

Nationalist - a person who strongly with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

White Nationalist, a nationalist that is white.

 

I wish that were true, but what you call an "Assault rifle" is just an AR-15. Functionality is no different than a ranch rifle. So now they call them"assault style" weapons to broaden the scope of what non-violent citizens can own. People can still own fully automatic weapons. (What you call machine guns)

I live in Los Angeles. Currently, it is easier for criminals to get guns and ammo than it is for law abiding citizens.

 

Answer few questions please,

What would be the nature of defensible evidence that would indicate someone may commit a Hate Crime or any crime for that matter? Would that logic be extended to deny some from the purchase of alcohol because some evidence might indicate they would drive intoxicated and injure another in an accident?

Is having Hate always followed by a Hate crime?

How would such a law be enforced? How would due process be observed?

How would declaring that someone may commit a crime stack against the Constitution’s prescribed principle of innocent until proven guilty (particularly when for a crime not yet committed)?

How would the argument for preventing a website like armslist.com that is nothing more than a conduit for private citizens to advertise they have private legally owned property for sale be logically made and past as Constitutional in light of the 1st Amendment and the fundamental scope of property rights in the US?

 

yes they can, that is the point, make assult weapons as hard to own as machine guns, people can still own them if they really want too, it's just harder

 

Assault weapons already fall under the same rules for acquisition as machine guns do now, considering they are selective fire weapons.

 

no they do not, we know this from the recent mass shooting

 

BS, an assault weapon (a selective fire rifle shooting a intermediate size and power cartridge) was not used in that or any recent mass shooting despite the ignorant and dishonest miss application of the term for the weapon that was used... calling a horse a duck does not make a horse a duck.

 

The same list that is devoid of oversight, with no way of one actually getting off the list once they are put on, and which the public does not know the criteria used for one being included on the list?

 

Should communists? What about people like Eric Swalwell who profess to want to nuke the populace for non compliance with their orders?

The answer? People have rights. Even communists. Until they do something actionable, like prepping for a crime they're about to commit, you cannot abrogate those rights. Speaking? Not a crime. Yes even when they're hateful idiots who should rightly be beaten with a hose because this is why we can't have nice things, like racists and/or communists.

 

Only harder for people like me, which only provides criminals with easy victims.

 

It really does not matter what your views are, if the government can label an association of yours a terrorist organization and deny you one or more rights without even the benefit of the court's supervision. Guns, abortion, Palestinians, Israelis, climate change, whatever. There are many, many controversial issues that people what to shut down the debate and control the outcome. If an organization and its members can be declared criminal or dangerous because "reasons" and thereby be neutralized that is authoritarian and very dangerous.

 

IMO, so far the level of Antifa violence is not high enough to justify calling them terrorists. Vandalism, and assault and battery and attempted murder etc. - laws already on the books - could handle most problems associated with Antifa.

Crooked prosecutors, politicians and police officials are ultimately responsible for the apparent immunity from arrest and prosecution that Antifa enjoys.

 

Fully automatic firearms are seldom used by criminals, and any criminal that wants one will always be able to easily obtain one. It is far easier to manufacture a firearm than it is to make heroin or meth.

13 minutes into this video shows a child manufacturing a gun:

 

There are available a number of videos on line that show how to make guns, suppressors, etc. and many that show underground manufacturing of guns in places like Pakistan and the Philippines.
Some types of guns are deceptively relatively easy to build. Understanding how a slam fire zip gun works (easy to build from parts that can be acquired from a hardware store) is but a few steps from building a full auto gun like a Sten subgun which was extremely cheap to build in WWII. Plans for building them were dropped all over occupied Europe in WWII and countless variants manufactured by resistance groups using simple tools in basements, garages, small shops, etc. and were made to shoot pilfered ammunition from the AXIS. Lots examples still exist.
When young, I build a number of zip guns. Then, when about 12, I made a .22 cal full auto (extremely fast shooting) gun loosely based on WWII era plans for a Sten MKII, before building a full scale Sten at 14. The later still exists in a buried cache in N.Ireland.

 

I think the Stens could be made for under $10, and they are very nasty little killing machines.
TG most criminals use weapons that are far less lethal.

 

No. Future crimes is not consistant with innocent until proven guilty.

And yes, my answer is the same regarding other potentially dangerous ideologies like Radical Islam, NBP and AntiFa. No actual crime - no punishment.

 

One of my favorite quotes that illustrates such labeling is by Christy Moore, the Irish ballad singer in his song ‘Don’t forget your Shovel’ has a line, “innocent until proven Irish, says Maggie”, a commentary about British justice in Northern Ireland.
When people learn where in Belfast I was raised and on asking my religious affiliation assumptions are often immediate. Brits often immediately suspect me of being IRA and even Americans will ask that question.
In the late 60’s attending Queen’s University, As a new student, I signed a petition from the NICRA (Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association) calling for equal civil rights (human rights) for all citizens. The Government very quickly labeled the NICRA an IRA organisation, justifying the heavy handed suppression of peaceful NICRA civil rights marches (patterned after MLK style civil rights marches in the US. The NICRA wasn’t conceived by the IRA, but the linking of NICRA by associating the labels resulted in an assumption that if you supported the call for equal civil rights for all as advocated by the NICRA, you were automatically assumed to be an IRA sympathizer whether or not you were a IRA member or agreed with IRA methods. That label was then used to justify intimidation of anyone speaking on civil rights and, further, justification by the government to treat you as an IRA member (membership, weather an Active or not being a crime in NI). Not yet an adult, because I was a signatory to the NICRA petition, I was lifted in an early am kick in raid and incarcerated, charged with being an IRA member. I never went before the dock or even saw a magistrate. Held for months I was eventually released, then leaving for the US.
Since, I have been assigned many demonizing labels because I did not blindly accept the opinions of the mindless majority.
BTW, despite being accused of being IRA, I have never been a member and have been criticized by many Irish Republicans for not blindly accepting IRA dogma...ironic, no?

 

They, like even primitive zip guns can be lethal. But, they can be dangerous to the operator as well. MKIIs can discharge if dropped (and go full auto until a jam or an empty clip), are finicky, and not relatively accurate for single shots beyond short combat distances. But, yes, they are cheap to make...as you say, prob less than $10 to make in mass production. ROF is determined by the bolt/spring mass/resistance balanced against feeding/jamming... building you own takes some tuning.

 

Just as an aside, I also defend those like the KKK and others to voice their hate and thoughts of discrimination. The more they talk, the more they alienate rational people, and by their rhetoric I know who they are and it gives me more comfort to know who is my enemy and who to avoid than if their madness is driven underground and it allows for easier discrediting if you know what is being said. Almost as good as forcing them to wear hoods in the daylight.
Knowledge is power.

 

The racialism that is the foundation of the KKK/neo-Nazi movements is irrational nonsense.
It is important to confront and discredit them in detail. Silencing them just drives them underground where they can germinate unchallenged.