So, Trump just basically suggested a police state...

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  1. Gorn Captain

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    Throw in the Japanese-Americans who fought with units in Europe, too.

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    So do you OPPOSE those ideas....and thus oppose Trump?

    or do you support those ideas....and thus show your outrage against FDR to be hypocrisy.

    You only get to pick ONE.
     
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    Internment of German Americans.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans
    The internment of German Americans refers to the detention of ... the United States had a large population of ethnic Germans. ... President Woodrow Wilson issued two ...
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    FDR’s Forgotten Internment Camp
    www.thedailybeast.com/.../02/03/fdr-s-forgotten-internment-camp.html
    Feb 03, 2015 · Thousands of Germans, Italians, and Japanese immigrants were deported from Latin ... FDR’s Forgotten Internment Camp. ... The day before Roosevelt
    The trains held Japanese, German, and Italian immigrants and their American-born children, and many families from Latin America. The Crystal City Internment Camp, administered by the Immigration and Naturalization Service under the Department of Justice, was the only “family” internment camp—on either side of the Atlantic or the Pacific—that operated during the war. It opened in 1942 for the official purpose of reuniting immigrant fathers who’d been arrested and imprisoned as “dangerous enemy aliens” with their wives and children. The length of their internment was indefinite. Internees poured into Crystal City under the veil of government secrecy, dusty trainloads and buses of men, women, and children arriving tired and confused, with tags around their necks that displayed family identification numbers and symbolized that they had been torn away from the lives they had known.

    Personally, One of my grandparents was interned because he never became an American citizen. In the meantime my father had been in the National Guard and was Federalized immediately after Dec 1941.
     
  3. Gorn Captain

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    You haven't answered my question.,...

    1. do you SUPPORT Trump singling out Muslims....as FDR did with the German Jewish refugees and Japanese/German-Americans?

    or 2. do you OPPOSE Trump.....and thus are consistent in your criticism of FDR?

    1. or 2.?
     
  4. perdidochas

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    Exactly.
     
  5. perdidochas

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    Reasonable suspicion isn't sufficient to get a search warrant. The Constitution requires probable cause.


    (emphasis added)
    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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    Anything could be used to make something illegal. That isn't probable cause. I am a conservative and believe in the Constitution. Please review the 4th Amendment. It's important.

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    What is suspicious or illegal or wrong about loading guns into your car? Life is crazy these days. Both liberals and conservatives seem to want a police state.
     
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    Hillary will not be able to do much, Republicans control congress.... that pretty much ties a Presidents hands
     
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    Humans are parasites on the planet anyway. We had a good run and more than adequate time to prove good stewardship...we failed that test miserably. No great loss and the Earth will heal and thrive without the selfish and gluttonous species called humans.
     
  8. perdidochas

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    Glad I don't live in your neighborhood, if you think loading guns into a car is suspicious. Now, the mentally troubled youth is a different thing.

    That said, realistically speaking, the sound of the gun shots of him killing his mother should have been the suspicious thing.....
     
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    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/6/13/1538156/-Trump-Nailed-229-Years-Ago-by-Alexander-Hamilton


    Trump Nailed 229 Years Ago by Alexander Hamilton
    By LibRad
    Monday Jun 13, 2016 · 11:20 AM PDT

    In1787 in the first Federalist Paper, Alexander Hamilton wrote:

    …that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants.

    Additionally, in 1939 W. H. Auden blessed us with these thoughts in this poem:

    Epitaph on a Tyrant

    Perfection, of a kind, was what he was after,

    And the poetry he invented was easy to understand;

    He knew human folly like the back of his hand,

    And was greatly interested in armies and fleets;

    When he laughed, respectable senators burst with laughter,

    And when he cried the little children died in the streets.
     
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    let me give you an example reasonable suspicion gives an officer the right to do a limited search so if an officer stops you and suspects you being high he can then do a limited search of you or your car he had reasonable suspicion to do a limited search. a limit search doesn't allow him to open anything just looking for anything in plain sight. during that limited search which I he finds a hypodermic needle siting on the back seat even though it is legal for you to have that needle that gives him the probable cause. his reasonable suspicion of you being high and the evidence of the needle gives probable cause a crime was committed so to justify to conduct a more through search
     
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    Cars are a different situation than houses--due to the fact that you are on public property in the car. I believe in the right to be secure in my person, houses, papers and effects.
     
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    what FDR did was ten times worse and you trying to make a equivalence is laughable at best
    Trump not once said a dam thing about rounding up any American Muslims or even non-American Muslim in this country on a visa or for what ever reason. he just said put a temporary halt of Muslim immigrants till the vetting process can be strengthen and more thorough
    I know you have to create Straw Men and Hyperbole so to have a argument because arguing against the facts the truth is a losing argument
     
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    a neighbor reports to law enforcement that you have explosive material gives the officer reasonable suspicion to knock on your door to ask you questions and during that conversation you admit of having explosive material and you have no reasobale explintion to have that explosive matrail is proable cause to conduct a search
     
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    Why would they search when some explosive material is perfectly legal to own? You don't need an explanation for why you own something that is legal to own. If asked why you own something that is perfectly legal, the correct response is "Because (*)(*)(*)(*) you, that's why."
     
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    Michael Fortier went to prison for not reporting Timothy McVeigh. 168 lives might have been saved.

    Clue to the OP: Trump isn't suggesting anything that isn't already in place.
     
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    “We need to make sure every single person involved in this plan, including anyone who knew something, but didn’t tell us, is brought to justice,” Trump said in New Hampshire. “These people need to have consequences, big consequences.” ​

    So were there laws in place at the time under which someone who saw something but said nothing could be prosecuted? Or does the Teflon Don figure on bypassing the ex post facto clauses with an EO?

    Then surely you won't have any problem proving Fortier had no more involvement with McVeigh than that woman allegedly had with the San Bernandino shooters.
     
  17. Dale Cooper

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    Since you quoted me, allow me to respond:

    I have no clue what you're babbling about. What I said was a fact and has nothing to do with me. Simply put: Your post makes ZERO sense.
     
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    Obviously that's because you had no idea what you were babbling about in the first place - which of course is typical for Trumplodytes.

    Then meeting my challenge would be a trivial exercise.
     
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    What Trump is saying, liberal political correctness is killing Americans. That those who are politically correct should be prosecuted.

    I can live with that.
     
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    Do you know what aiding and abetting means?
     
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    What he's quoted as saying in the OP is quite a bit more specific than that.

    On what legal grounds?

    If people in high places decide you're PC, can you live with that too?
     
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    Where do you plan to live when you finally succeed in giving our country over to an alien philosophy?
     
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    Of course it will work. That is why it is stupid to 'profile' and marginalize the very people who you will be begging to report what they overheard at the local mosque, or in the apartment laundry room, or at the local Middle Eastern restaurant. You cannot bully the local Muslim population into ether leaving your area, or cooperating with local authorities. they have to want to help stop radicals from blowing up the movie theater or school. That means you want them to have friends, and relationships in the neighborhood you live in. You want them to care about what happens to the town. They are not going to report to the local police, if they spent two hours explaining why they wrote a letter to their Mother in Saudia Arabia, and who they are associating with over there when they visit. they have to trust the police, if they are going to walk into the station and tell them about what they saw or heard.
     
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    But I'm more politically incorrect than Trump so I don't have to worry about it.
     
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    I'm more afraid of the reality that there is a religious crowd out there that wants us all dead and we are being led by people that not only won't acknowledge it, but facilitate that same crowd moving in in ever greater numbers.
     

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