So WHY did God create Man and the Universe?

It's possible to combine the two, but it doesn't seem workable. One always eliminates the other. Descent without new birth/creation is just recycling. Exclusive use of new birth would ignore recycling. Perhaps both are in play. That brings up the issue of closed vs. open systems, which I won't ponder at this time. The path of ascent/transcendence still applies.

If both are in play, then the ones in the new birth/creation category don't have a forgetfulness issue. Since looking back doesn't yet show me anything clearly, I'll just keep looking forward.

A number of years ago while I was in one aisle of a grocery store, a little boy came up beside me, took a good look at me, and said to his mother who was coming by, "He's old!" Since I was only in my fifties and had a somewhat younger physical appearance, I really wonder what that boy perceived.

I've added Inayat to my list of resources. Thanks for the info.

 

I'm starting to become ok with paradoxes. Our conventional mind is conceptual, and the answers may sometimes necessitate a nonconceptual understanding. Like with Absolute and Relative reality. Absolute Reality or God or Eternal Ever-Present Consciousness is Transcendent and Infinite, there's no place 'It' is not, including here and now. Even the substratum of our very own current awareness is that. Possibly the prehension of microbes, of irritability of insects and the perception and impulses of reptiles and mammals all the way through the emotions, symbols and concepts and into the higher stages of developed human mind, were all lit by the knowingness of that Eternal light of God. Without which, nothing would be experienced or known.

So in that way perhaps, the Descended Ever-Present Unchanging Light of God, was always here, as the unnoticed background awareness through which all thoughts were illuminated, in reality our true identity. All the way back to the subjective prehensions of microbial life, perhaps even further. So in this way, from the perspective of a limited being, we can look at the entire spectrum of life and humans...and see their is a spectrum of awareness within life, all the way to the highest known, which occurs in humans and is sometimes called Self-Realization, or Complete Union with God.

So the Absolute was never not Absolute and was shining through the Relative which is a transitory illusion of our limited perspective from our separated ignorant mind. An ascent toward Transcendent God that ultimately was never without it.

 

That's deep and highly relevant, but here's something in the realm of direct tangibility: Early stages in human embryonic development have gills.

 

Yep,...

Reality unfolds moment by moment and is almighty, demanding we bow down and adapt to it, or become extinct in a second death of our whole species.

But the love of Reality for mankind is evidenced by the birth of its own image in the form of Truth, which is available to us as alight into the future so we can prepare to adjust rationally.

 

Say it as eloquently as one may, there is only ONE reality.

It gives birth to a son, by the name of Truth, formed in its own image.
Truth is what is available to man, and truth becomes the only Reality we can entertain and actually "see."

 

A lie told long enough becomes a 'truth'...the very 'truth' you speak of

 

I have to agree with this. reality (global warming and degradation of natural resources) DOES demand we 'bow down' and adapt to it, or face extinction. Anyone not already doing so has the very real possibility of the death of their kids, grandkids, great-grandkids etc, on their conscience.

 

well the Bible says God is not perfect, he is a Jealous Vengeful and loving God....


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LOL

A lie told over and over is eventually replaced by the Truth that rises up from where ever in had been buried by lairs.

That is the Jesus Christ Story in a nut shell.

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That is perfect for Reality, which is jealous if people try to live elsewhere.

 

Not replaces, but becomes.

And no, this is not jesus in a nut shell.

This is:

One big fabricated MYTH, that is a "truth" right?

 

We have been doing a great job for centuries now:



If Global Warming is here to stay, especially after we cut down almost all the trees that use the CO2,... then the Truth will appear for us to see.

 

Wrong, you'll be dead. And that is were we are heading if we don't start talking Global Warming seriously.

 

Then shut down the greatest of all sources of air contamination... the oil industry and the automotive industry.

 

In due time:

Idaho 'Solar Roadways' Co. Catches Attention of White House, Bill Nye

Powering America With Roads

Solar Roadways....Look them up. Has the potential to solve all of Americas Energy Needs.

 

Man has the potential to do a lot of things but have they happened? Nope... oh well... so much for your HOPE.

 

"I am The Truth,... and the way and the life"... John 14:6

 

They are talking about Taxes,....

That is what the politicians are talking about.
They want to start adding to your fuel bills every month so they can use the money anyway they like afterwards.

What we need is a program that spends money to move or fix the areas that will have trouble, and start building/not building where it will do some good.

 

Lies lies, tell me sweet little lies.

Ironic you try to use a lie to prove a lie....thanks for proving my point.

 

Are you calling someone a "liar"?
"li·ar (lr)n.
One that tells lies."
www.thefreedictionary.com/liar

 

Yes, there's one Absolute Reality, and very few apprehend it. It's stillness never changes. Sometimes the hardest thing to see is what is most obvious.

There is also the transitory and ever-changing relative reality, with as many perceptions of it as their are beings, and the array of experience within each being is in constant flux. It's the reality we are all transfixed and lost in. But paradoxically, it derives it's existence, and is illuminated and known by the Absolute Reality. Ultimately they are nonconceptually realized as "not two". It is subtly incorrect to say one, because that implies there would exist something or nothing in addition to that one. It's trans-rational, meta-logical and ultimately cannot be conceptualized or even known by the conventional mind.

 

If it can't be known, how come you are so definitive in its existence? Or do you claim to possess an "unconventional" mind?

 

Would you consider having "the mind of Christ" as being "unconventional"?

 

It can be realized by anyone, through your own awareness, but the conventional mind itself effectively comes to a halt as it's transcended. The mind is seen as a compulsive activity within awareness. You see your true identity has never moved and has always been transcendent of and not dependent on the mind or any other causes. Since that transcendent nature is infinite unbounded consciousness itself, it is already aware of itself. and always has been. You just have to release your identity with the mind. It's the closest thing to you, closer than your own breath, because it is you, and we all share this same Spirit. In many spiritual paths, this is called "Self Realization" (or satori, samadhi, kensho, Christ consciousness, Buddha-Nature, embodying the Dao, etc..etc..etc..)

A noticing that one's identity extends past and is not limited by the border of the body ... mind, body and the world are a seamless whole occurring within unmoving transcendent awareness. Whatever is perceived and what is perceiving it are seen to be the same substance.

Since this a deeper subtle 'level' of reality, techniques like meditation or contemplative prayer are utilized to delve deeper and stabilize these exquisite realities of awareness.

 

when someone starts off talking about their way is the truth... it's probably not

 

Who would dare do such a thing?

BTW: It is time for me to say goodnight to all you fine ladies and gentlemen. I will be back in the later morning hours. Have a nice evening.