What 3 places? I am only aware of 2. I am not RC and don't believe in purgatory, if that is the 3rd place. Only 1 religion made that one up. As for Heaven or hell, Which I no longer believe in an eternal fire pit called hell. Hell in Hebrew loosely translated from Sheol. A shallow grave. I think i remember even just a separation from God. I will say the chosen people have a better insight to what God told them.
Anyone reborn via Gods spirit is either a Son or Daughter of God. Unlike them, Jesus Christ is the Fathers only begotten Son. Jesus said that no man cometh to the Father except by me. He also said I am the light and life of the world.
It is understood that he is the Son of God, and the savior who was foretold in prophecy. The product of a divine conception is more than wise, just, upright or priestly. He is the stone the builders rejected: Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. Matthew 21:44
No. It is not understood. Many Christians believe that, but the Jews and Muslims do not. That is why i asked about "a" or "the" son of God. As you said earlier, there are many sons. If there is no passage, ie word from Jesus, about him being "the" son of God, then it is likely made up by a certain religion.
You don't say?... I think you may have misread my comment, to be more than simply passing along an historical fact, which most of us, do not realize, because of the heroic stories (and in the case of Daniel, the mythos), surrounding that part of history, especially due to the Christians winning out, in the end, &. so writing the history, we (think we) know. I do not consider preferring truth over fiction, to be any act, in itself, of judgement, and certainly not, of prejudice. But make no mistake, I am not faulting those who chose to live, after repudiating their faith, rather than die, declaring it. And, though rejecting their faith-- verbally, anyway-- was the more common course, that does not mean that there were not some, who actually refused to deny their faith, and did proceed willingly, to their deaths. It is these exceptionally devoted, early Christians, upon whom, the exaggerated "myth," was built.
Im not saying that at all. 'This is the wrong place' =/= 'you must leave'. If you go to a sandwich shop and ask to buy a carburetor, would you expect them to throw you out after they tell you they don't sell car parts? I bet not... People post their opinions here to try to do one of two things: convince others or complain about ****. Ostencibly, this site is for debating, and debating is a contest of ideas, and what other purpose would there be for a contest of ideas than to try to present a better one in order to change people's minds? Call it convincing, converting or 'changing others understanding' ... those are all the same thing, and it's what we're intended to be doing here. ...and that doesn't mean I'm trying to make anyone leave
Why present an opinion that 'might change someones mind' if you're not also trying to change their mind? You might not be trying very hard... but you're still trying to change their mind. There's nothing 'closed minded' about trying to change someone else's mind. Being closed minded means you refuse to consider changing your own mind. It has nothing to do with what others do...
No spin ..cept you going round and round .. cause of simple question -- What is the name of the God of Abraham ?
You miss the other purpose...to point out the poor quality of the OP or indeed any post. It is perfectly valid to challenge the grounds upon which the original premise orvany premise was made. The OP in here intended to open a very dubious idea to a very imagined selective audience...the one which he was sure accepted all the premises behind the question. And it was a question about a 2000 year old faith that completely ignored any context around its veracity. Whether you have to do good works is an issue that is strongly accepted in other related faiths. Islam accepts Jesus as a prophet and has taken much of the reported information about him and incorporated it into Islam. Including the need to contribute to the community.. Not BTW a new idea even for Jesus. It was accepted by Jews for a long time by the time of Jesus. But the OP ignored all this. It is acceptable and on topic to point out the threadbare content of any post including an OP. And I find it sad that someone insists that discussion is always a fight for a point. Life isn't about clear right and wrong. It is very nuanced. IMO discussion is about exploring those without the need to claim a scalp.
If it was God, and not some past, extra terrestrials. Then again, how can we be certain that E.T.s don't run heaven?
I don't know. Nor do I know but that his spirit is he. So whether Father or Son, they are the same to me in spirit. There is only one name to salvation. That would be Jesus Christ, who is the way, truth, and life, and who is the life and light of the world. His gospel is repentance. And his mercy has no end but for the excellence of his judgments which are his to make, and the power to save or damn accordingly.
My goodness -- no wonder your posts seem confused sometimes. Jesus is not the name of the God of Abraham mate. Need to open up that Bible once in awhile instead of guessing.
I'm....not going to get started on that. PS. You're right about context. Obviously, some of that got lost in translation, too.
That's kind of a curious statement on Benedict's part, but it's essentially what got me wondering (with Battle3) if this doctrinal dispute was an overblown kerfuffle over semantics. Thankfully, while it was a major issue, it wasn't the only issue that instigated the Protestant Reformation. I'd hate to think the Christian church was torn apart over a semantical misunderstanding.
Of course it is. But what purpose would there be in making that challenge other than attempting to change the mind of its creator or change the mind of those whom may find agreement with it? ...and why would that be invalid?
Sigh Because the original premise was wrong. Why do you want to discuss something that does not exist as a premise? You can believe in what you like as long as you are aware that you are discussing a fabrication.
This thread is about a spec Because unlike you we believe it to be true and want to discuss something fairly limited in scope with others of similar interests?
Well, we won't have that, will we? And because we won't have that, it's perfectly fine to trash and derail the thread, even though that's a violation of this forum's TOS, not to mention basic common courtesy. Should I add a *sigh* for dramatic effect?
I'm sorry, sir, that was entirely too esoteric. I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to shut the f**k up.
It's irrelevant to me. I'm sure that Satan knows God's name, even all about him as well as the history of man. But it is meaningless to me because Satan has no part in him. The first principles of salvation are faith, repentance and baptism. It is not, do you know the Father's name. In fact, nowhere in Jesus Gospel does he counsel us to know the Fathers name. He did say the Father is in him and he in the Father. And that if we have seen or heard Jesus, we have seen and heard the Father. It is also fairly established in Christendom, that Jesus is the Fathers doer and representative in all his creations and acts. Such that Jesus Christ is most likely the God of Abraham, and all the prophets and patriarchs, as well as the builder of the universe. Nevertheless, they are one in spirit. And I am not privy to their distinction beyond reason and rumor.
