South Australia powerless as wind generators don't work.

If we all had always taken their viewpoint we would be all still living in caves.

 

Bingo!

Grog, stop wasting your time making that flint into a sharp point for the end of your long stick. What if it got stuck in some animal and the point broke off? Then you would have to "mothball" your long stick and all of that capital invested in it would be wasted!

 

You just unwittingly proved his point and I bet you don't know how.

 

I don't see how so explain it to me

 

Something the UK found out when they mandated 20% of their electricity supply come from wind. Then they found they had to have gas generators running at low power so they could be spun up quickly when unreliable wind sources didn't produce enough power. Then they discovered that gas generators running at low power output are innefficient and actually put out almost as much pollution as was supposedly saved by going to wind.

The envirowackos live in their own world where there is nothing but unicorns and little girls dancing in green meadows and the real world doesn't intrude.

 

Link???

 

Ahem read again genius.

"So unlike hydro which allows you to enjoy decades of cheep power"

Comparing the life of hydro turbins with wind turbines is apples and oranges.

 

Like inside in a climate and environmentally controlled environment and being left out in the harsh desert or other environment outside environment left to the elements for instance?

 

Jusus christ that is just basic power systems 101. Do some research on your own. Its no secret that turbines heatrate goes up as output goes down.

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Pretty much, hydro is a beast. The technology is simple and its safely in the power house. It lasts forever with minimal maintenance.

 

But you produce nothing to support your allegation, as usual!



A study in the UK established that wind turbines built in the 1990's are still producing 75% of their capacity and fully expect them to reach their 25 year life span before being UPGRADED. Newer wind turbines are actually outperforming expectations.

http://www.renewableenergyfocus.com/view/43817/the-end-of-the-line-for-today-s-wind-turbines/

And FTR on the topic of the OP the wind farms in TX saved the state from power outages when the polar vortex hit the nation. Other states without wind turbines did not do as well.

 

Except that it doesn't!

Corrosion, cavitation and fatigue are very common hydro turbine problems that start early on and need constant maintenance to prevent efficiency losses and breakdowns.

 

Classic leftist green wacko argument. Point out the existence of a negative but dont (*)(*)(*)(*)ing quantify it.

Did I say no maintenance? I said minimal maintenance.

The O&M for hydro is a few dollars per MWh. Wind on the other hand runs upwards of 10.

 

Hydro is pretty much useless during a drought.

 

That is why you don't build it where you get frequent droughts and you pomd.

 

Once again you throw fecal matter at the wall hoping that it sticks without providing any substantive links to prove your allegations.

And because you can't provide substance you indulge in gratuitous ad homs.

Your inability to engage in civil discourse exposes the weakness of your fabricated position.

Have a nice day!

 

LOL ...............................

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Another cave dweller

 

Only issue is - we cannot use hydro in SA. Most if it is desert and the rest is flat

 

Then install NG. Wind will never be competitive especially when you start to include time value of money which is something the green economic experts never do because they realize that when you use time value of money meyrics green energy goes from a bad idea to a horrible idea.

 

How come so many Americans are against renewable energy?
Always arguments against.....
Wind doesn't need to be competitive, its only one part of a bigger solution....
The world becomes a better and cleaner place, once coal has disappeared....
Cheers

 

I live in the mountains and we have a hydro dam close by. I fish there often. But last year during our drought it was worthless. We are sometimes called the Amazon of the south. But last year we dried up. Hydroelectric power shut down.

 

Earlier today SA residents were being asked to limit power consumption tonight. A fire shut down one power station and tripped another, shutting it down. The only thing that has kept the state from blacking out is.....wait for it.....renewable power.

 

We love renewable energy and if that is wjat you want then pay for it yourself. What we don't like is the government dictating and subsidizing it. If it is such a great alternative the market will build it. But don't subsidize my neighbors with mg tax dollars so Ibhave to listen tobhim tell me how much less he pays than mr for his electricity.

 

We aren't ignorant about hydro.

[video=youtube;S2FTBPIrcKk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2FTBPIrcKk[/video]

[video=youtube;2okm58HSxvo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2okm58HSxvo[/video]

watch the 6 parts

[video=youtube;1iAdTi5I15c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iAdTi5I15c[/video]

Don't laugh at the accents nor our naivety, only we can do that. LOL

 

That is an interesting view, a very american one.
Let the market sort it out, why dictate green energy through government and taxes?
The markets are driven by huge companies, they feel responsible towards their shareholders, nothing more, nothing less.
I bet you are also inline with the view, that education is a matter of the individual, to pay for university education themselves.
I am completely opposed to that.
Education should always be free, and renewable energy sector should be in the government hands, for at least 51%.
Because if not, greedy privatized companies will drive prices up as far as they can.
It is in our DNA to be greedy, just take your President....
Cheers

 

The problem is that this wasn't what happened with other energy sources. Coal, Oil & Gas have all seen substantial government expenditures. Sometimes it is infrastructure, sometimes tax breaks for exploration or inputs, on other occasions military expenses used to secure or protect access (not always the reason for the military action, but a welcome outcome for the energy companies). Australian governments have spent & continue to spend billions on hydro & fossil fuel. The amount sunk into other renewables is a tiny fraction of that.