Spill, Baby, Spill Victim: Yellowstone National Park

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  1. Dasein

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    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/04/MNUS1K6AME.DTL#ixzz1REZGEa9W

    But drilling is completely safe. . . right?
     
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    It's not a matter of "is it completely safe" it's a matter WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.

    The only other choice would be to enact policies that would literally cripple the American economy for decades.

    So you people are just going to have to learn not to cry over spilled oil. It's a tragedy and we'll clean it up best we can, but this is one of those things that falls in the "(*)(*)(*)(*) happens" category.

    There is currently no alternative to oil that is economically affordable to the poorest Americans. Until you find one, we're stuck with oil.
     
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    Besides yellowstone is going to kill us all when it erupts. The elevation of the land is already rising by 6 inches or more a year in some places.

    That'll be the Malthusians dream right there. I'd be willing to bet the loss of the American breadbasket would cause the famine deaths of almost 1 billion people throughout the world.
     
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    Was a pipeline that blew, not a drill.

    I did like Exxon's reply "We are sorry for anyone it may have inconvenienced."
     
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    You are correct. I was out there a while back touring and was told it would be the equivalent of the asteroid that hit 65 million years ago at the Yucatan Penninsula that wiped out the dinosaurs if it erupted and it will. The caldera is rising as you say and at a very rapid rate when it comes to a geological time scale. You can actually smell the sulfer in certain places.
     
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    We have a choice. There's been electric cars since 1907 for Christ's sake. Honda currently builds a family-sized car that runs on hydro-electricity, and it has a range of over 250 miles fully powered. The problem is the big oil lobby in Washington actively blocks green energy any way they can, because they know that once the American consumer switches to a different fuel source, they will lose billions.
     
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    the problem is, they can't make them cheap enough. end of story.
     
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    Teacher to Johnny.. " where does electricity come from .. ? "

    Johnny replies.. " from the switch "

    Where does chocolate milk come from ?

    Brown cows..

    Why are California cows Happy ?
    Because they have lots of human idiot friends with them.
    Eating grass.
     
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    That's right. Of course the federal government could subsidize the cost like it does for other industries, and bring the price in-line with similar products.

    Unfortunately, the oil companies won't let that happen.
     
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    The cost of these spills is far greater. Miles of US land wrecked for decades. The cost is far greater if we do not change.
     
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    We can't because we are broke. The oil subs should be done away with, the price of gas will rise if that happens, but not too drastically.
     
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    No one said it's completely safe. But we have to have it Otherwise we're at the mercy of foreign cartels and despots like OPEC, Gadaffi and Chavez.

    As much oil is being drilled, IMO the safety record is acceptable.

    We need our nuclear power too.

    Life is not without risks. Don't want any risks? Check yourself into a rubber room.
     
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    Do you blame them for trying to survive as an industry? :rolls:

    And where do you think electricity comes from? Coal, nuclear power, hydo-electric, inefficient bird killing windmills..... honey, there's no free lunch.
     
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    I say we have plenty of brown cows..soo..

    Let's release wolves in Brooklyn ,New York and let Mother nature reclaim the damage that's been done there for decades..

    Wolves have a marvelous ability to single out the weak and stupid.

    Change I can get behind.
     
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    as I posted in the original thread about this, it's all the more reason to build refineries closer to the source and create regional distribution centers that serve the regions.

    Less impact so tree huggers should like it

    create good American jobs so conservatives like it

    Dreaded Private Sector jobs generate taxes so liberals should like it
     
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    That's nonsense.

    It's just oil, which is an organic substance.

    Nature will repair the damage.

    When libs say we have to change what they mean is they want a fascist style central government to draw up a 5-year plan to impose more expensive windmills on the public whether the majority likes it or not.
     
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    We spend 2 billion dollars a week in Afghanistan. We aren't broke.
     
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    $800 billion of that is borrowed from China so we aren't rich either.
     
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    Every penny of that 2 billion is bought on credit.

    A broke person can pretend to have money by spending on credit. That doesn't change the fact that they are broke, all it does is make the situation worse.
     
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    You do realize that those oil companies are mostly foreign owned right? They don't have our country's interests in mind.
     
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    A huge amount of the company is held in Americans' retirement accounts as well. I can't seem to find anything indicating that foreign ownership exceeds domestic ownership.

    Where did you get your info?
     

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