Stephen Hawking’s hypocrisy, double standard and a whiff of racism

Considering Egypt never had a chance to be ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood, let alone Salafists, I believe that if these groups don't show any serious results soon, they won't perform as well as they did in the last election. This is of course ignoring what the military may do.

As for 'democratic uprisings,' I would consider the uprising in Egypt (not sure about Libya) to be a democratic one, in the sense that Egyptians were finally able to choose who they want to govern them.

 

But why are you comparing Islam with Christianity? There is no inherent fusion of politics and religion in Christianity- there is in Islam.

Think about nation-states. Would the United States grant equal rights to non-American citizens? Of course not, as they are not Americans.

In Islam it's pretty much the same thing... expect that being Muslim, according to those who adhere to this view, is much more special and significant than the 'artificial' sense of identity we see among those who take pride in their nations. Some Western nationalists will disagree with this view, but that's not really important anyway.

 

Well, I'll give you this much. At the heart of it, nationalism and religion are both illusions.

Religion is an illusion for the sake of providing people peace of mind, while nationalism is there for the sake of preserving standard of living (via citizenship).

Neither one is really special in a tangible way.

Granted, the latter hints at how prosperity is dependent on exploiting those less fortunate.

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I just hope they don't end up the way that Syria looks like it's headed.

 

For there to be double standards, there must be a different standard for behavior that is expected from Israel that is either explicitly stated, or that exists in Hawking's mind. Perhaps you are confused, because it appears that you do not comprehend that there are two things involved here:

1. Standards of morality
2. Protest due to the violation of those standards

Again and again, what you want to state, without proof, is that Hawking, by employing different means of protest due to the violation of moral standards, demonstrates ABSOLUTELY that he has set double standards of behavior, one for Israel, one for everyone else. And this notion is seriously flawed.

To demonstrate the flaw, let's suppose a mother has two sons, both of whom have disobeyed her. Knowing that one of the boys LIKES APPLES, she tells him he CANNOT eat APPLES for a week. Knowing that the other boy DOES NOT LIKE APPLES, but LIKES ORANGES, she tells him he CANNOT eat ORANGES for a week. Now if the boy who CANNOT EAT APPLES accuses the mother of setting a double standard because she did not tell his brother he CANNOT EAT APPLES, he is incorrect. For the mother does not have a double standard. Rather she has chosen a punishment that is appropriate for each child. This demonstrates that the choice of a different type of expression of disapproval of behavior for two different parties, does not NECESSARILY imply that double standards of behavior have been set. Therefore to merely state that Hawking's boycott of an Israeli conference demonstrates that he has set double standards for Israel, is flawed.

 

Well I'm neither, and so I understand where you're coming from. But I wouldn't regard them as not special- particularly religion. Religion has done some great things, and it (along with nationalism) does help fill the sense of meaningless void in people, even if they do have peace of mind. Whether they are illusions or not is not really an issue I think, until, well, you know.

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The US won't allow it.

 

Yeah, but in this case the mother did not let one boy eat at all, no apples, no oranges no any other food. The other son barely got a slap on the wrist, he got all the food he wanted and on top of that he got every penny of his weekly allowance (mother's tax pounds). This is one lousy mother LOL

PS Your comparison of Hawking doing absolutely nothing about the war crimes (proclaimed by him) of his own country and the US and boycotting besieged war-torn Israel is apples and oranges indeed.

 

Be careful. You have to show that Israel has, as someone put it, "big balls." This statement sounds like the weak whining of a child. Remember the words of Ariel Sharon:

 

And remember the words of Mustafa Tla

 

I don't have to show anything but I did show the double-standard, hypocrisy and inconsistency of Israel hate mob that Hawking so well represents. That, in case you missed the OP was the only objective of this thread.

 

unsubstantiated, ill defined hysteria.

which in real life would result in a well deserved libel case won by Hawkins.

The objective of the thread was to try to trick and ensnare all arguments to some imaginary 'hate mob' stereotype? WOW! Is that not what is called a 'flamebait' thread.

 

The thread is based on an article by a well-known, well-respected, liberal Israeli political scientist who makes an excellent and well substantiated case of Hawking's inconsistency, double-standard and hypocrisy. But of course it can just as well apply to the rest of the BDS movement who ignore war crimes and occupations committed by their own countries (the UK primarily) and are obsessed with Israel instead. But hey, from the other thread we already know that opinions different from yours are pure propaganda and should be completely silenced/banned in the spirit of democracy and freedom of speech, right?

 

I am not talking about any article. I was referring to what you yourself said

You have admitted that you set the thread up as a flamebait.

Personal attacks, more flame baiting and just dishonest posting

http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...rael-take-top-posts-bbc-3.html#post1062625575

 

I started this thread to show Hawing's hypocricy, inconsitency and double standard. The case was made extremely well by the liberal Israeli political scientist quoted in the OP, demonstrating how Hawing's own tax pound has been financing several invasions, occupations, multiple war crimes and tens of thousands (or more) of deaths....Yet he is doing nothing about the crimes of his own country, his is brandishing his Che Gevara credentials at Israel's expense.

Of course bashing Israel a safe way to be a Che Gevara nowadays, attacking real criminals, real dictators, real murderers or messing with one's own country has too much risk involved so who can blame him for following the path of the least resistance, right?

 

Thanx. Saved me the trouble.

 

Just remember, stay away from that having to prove "big balls" stuff. It's a very dangerous mentality.

 

Sure, no problem. I will stick to proving hypocrisy, inconsistency, dishonesty and double standard of Israel-hate mob so well documented in the OP and exemplified by Hawking whose tax money pays for British occupations, war crimes and the murder of tens of thousands of people all over the world while he is busy boycotting Israel.

 

just wipe israel off the map and not more dumb threads.

Personally israel is a pis hole of bigots.

 

Case in point.

 

it shouldnt exist by force

by god

 

Self defense is one thing Borat. Over doing it is unproductive. One has to analyze threats to see if they are actually substantial. The response should be tailored to correspond to the degree of substance of the threat. That is the way of dealing with opposing elements. This kind of stuff is way out of line:

 

Probably on your planet. In the real world Hezbollah has been silenced, Hamas has been silenced, Syria has been silenced....They've all been subdued, defeated and silenced by overwhelming power. Welcome to the real world, you clearly have not arrived yet.

PS your desperate attempts to change the topic of this thread during the last dozen of your posts are noted. I guess defending the Israel-hate mob's lies, double standards and hypocrisy so well exemplified by Hawking is a tad too difficult, isn't it? Isn't that embarrassing that you have to resort to trying to change the topic? LOL

 

Possibly, but you are still killing thousands and thousands and that Empire has gone the way of American decency, so you'll soon pass, even if you haven't already.

 

both topics, same thing

brain power pointd out that israel wrong

nothing magical about it

you would prefer just marching anything not believing in judaism to march out and make israel exist.

then the dickhead, that is me, shows upm tears, the temple down the tells you all what morons you are.

It's all in the torah

 

You keep talking about the real world, while at the same time presenting fantasies. What you just put forward is fairy tales.The sad part about the whole thing is that the approach you advocate does not even solve the problem.

We were discussing Hawking's protest due to Israel's mistreatment of the Palestinians. I was making the point that the Palestinians were treated cruelly when they were forced from their homes in the hundreds of thousands by Israel and that they are still being mistreated by Israel as we speak. The point is that, if someone like Hawking speaks out about it, that person is demonized.

Yeah, I find that amazing.

 

It's an english speaking forum, please make an effort.