"Stop Hiding Behind the Second Amendment"

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  1. JoeSixpack

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    Didn't even try to say that they were not mine so it didn't or shouldn't matter. And poverty and obesity are two much worse threats to a child's life expectancy, if we are going to be honest. But then again this isn't about honesty.
     
  2. danielpalos

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    I am not sure what you mean. Criminals are harassed and profiled, all the time. Even the simply, poor, are not immune since the Right likes to profile them and harass them about having steak and lobster on their ebt cards.
     
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    Yes of course. As Fox Butterfield, a columnist, once opined it was a mystery how crime rates were down even as there are larger number of persons incarcerated. Couldn't hold in his brain the concept that if people who commit crimes are kept out of society, the crime rate will go down.

    So now that the crime rate is down, lets let the people who have demonstrably proven a capacity for committing crimes out to prey on society again. Will leftists who are now calling for criminal justice "reform" then call for re incarcerating criminals or will they call for more gun control?

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    You're kidding, right?
     
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    DOconTEX Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Swimming pools and bathtubs kill more children every year than gun accidents. But, like you say, this isn't about honesty
     
  5. danielpalos

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    Why would you think that when you already have the premise to my argument; do you think I cannot defend it?

    I am not sure what you mean. Criminals are harassed and profiled, all the time. Even the simply, poor, are not immune since the Right likes to profile them and harass them about having steak and lobster on their ebt cards.
     
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    DOconTEX Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you think freeloaders should have steak and lobster on ebt cards?

    Criminals are harassed and profiled all the time? You mean like the ones who invade homes, rob stores, rape women, embezzle funds from employers, deal drugs, murder? Those criminals? THEY are harassed?
     
  7. JoeSixpack

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    So it isn't about keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill? Not that this wasn't the case all along.

    Part of the problem in living in a high crime area and idolizing the criminals to the point that you emulate them, you set yourself up as being a part of them.

    And food stamps should be for basic food items, not luxuries like steak and lobster. That is just common sense.
     
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    Why do you believe they are "freeloaders"?

    How about after they have a felony conviction?
     
  9. JoeSixpack

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    Never was. It is however about slinging (*)(*)(*)(*) and seeing what sticks in the minds of the ignorant and ill-informed.
     
  10. JoeSixpack

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    If they are in need of subsistence and they blow their entire monthly allotment on a couple meals of luxury items, then they are not as needy as they are letting on.

    They should get food stamps so they can buy steak and lobster, or should be allowed to own a gun? How about neither.
     
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    Maybe they just have poor money management skills. Capital is usually a requirement under any form of capitalism.

    What about corporate welfare and being "too big to fail". Do you not complain about Capitalists of wealth as you do about the least wealthy?

    How easy is it for felons to get a job? Are you claiming the laws of demand and supply cease to exist simply because they now have a criminal record; that is just pure, Socialism, my good Comrade.
     
  12. JoeSixpack

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    Which is why only certain food items should be permitted with the use of food stamps. Look food stamps do not cover the cost of food for an entire month. They still need to come up with money from some where to eat for a month. That means they can use that money to buy luxury items, like steak, lobster, soda pop, chips, ice cream, candy, etc...

    This argument that people who come to the tax payer for help should be allowed to waste the money they are given is beyond ridiculous.

    Not a big supporter of this either. More of a flat tax guy. If you are going to take 15-20% of an average families income, ya damn well better be doing the same for the richest Americans.

    I didn't claim anything of the sort. If we need to do back ground checks I provided you with a less intrusive way of doing it. The poor choices a person makes obviously effects their life in the future. It isn't my fault that a thief isn't trusted with money or a violent felon can't own a gun. They have no one to blame but themselves.

    I also believe in work programs for anybody receiving welfare benefits from tax payers. Nobody should be getting a free ride if they are capable of working, nobody. And not everybody should be eligible for maximum welfare benefits. Another stupid waste. You are eligible to get a few hundred dollars cash and $65 in food stamps from the tax payer to help you get by until you can find gainful employment, then you work the number of hours at minimum wage to earn it. There is always something that can benefit the community and society as a whole. Picking up trash on the side of the roadways is just one of many ways you can be useful, and earn the money you are given.
     
  13. danielpalos

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    You don't believe in Individual Liberty, either? Not many would claim Persons on welfare are starving.

    They are not "coming to the Taxpayer", but to the State to ensure public welfare offenses are minimal. Do you also ignore the facts of capitalism and capitalism's natural rate of unemployment?

    I propose eliminating our "wartime income tax" by eliminating our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror. What flat tax can beat that?

    Do you not truly believe Capital is a requirement under Any form of capitalism?
     
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    Dude, regardless of what you claim is in state constitutions, they simply do not trump UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT RULINGS. Once the United States Supreme Court rules on the issue, the rest is immaterial. States can say anything they want. It doesn't mean it carries any weight.

    How many times are you willing to get spanked before you learn that unalienable Rights are NOT given by government NOR does government have any legitimate jurisdiction over them?
     
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    Why not; our Tenth Amendment applies.
     
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    The Tenth Amendment reserves some powers not to government, but to the people. Yes, danielpalos, even the Tenth Amendment has something to say with respect to powers held exclusively by the people. Supreme Court decisions have held that is the correct interpretation of the law.

    "[You have Rights] antecedent to all earthly governments: Rights, that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; Rights, derived from the Great Legislator of the universe." John Adams, second president of the United States Source: A Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law, 1765

    BTW, John Adams was a Harvard trained lawyer.
     
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  18. danielpalos

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    Here is our Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Here are the rules of construction: There are two rules of construction, dictated by plain reason, as well as founded on legal axioms. The one is, that every part of the expression ought, if possible, to be allowed some meaning, and be made to conspire to some common end. The other is, that where the several parts cannot be made to coincide, the less important should give way to the more important part; the means should be sacrificed to the end, rather than the end to the means.

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    It really is that simple; except to gun lovers and the Right.
     
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    I agree with your observations on corporate welfare danielpalos. Also the poor and 'disadvantaged' are being used as a 'scapegoat' by everyone that's a couple rungs higher on the 'social' ladder.
     
  20. JoeSixpack

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    Not sure how you equate individual responsibility with the absence of individual liberty.

    I didn't make the claim. Most people who use food stamps are the young and the elderly, and many adults who use them have jobs and use them to supplement their income for their children. Still there is a lot of fraud and waste that should be eliminated, but that is another topic.

    Who do you think funds the state?


    Yes I realize the twisted web weaved by the cronyism capitalism crowd.

    More fraud, waste, and government cronyism at work.

    One has little to do with the other.

    Is that a trick question?
     
  21. danielpalos

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    That is my "chief complaint" regarding Persons of Religion and a lack of faithful execution of a moral of goodwill toward men.
     
  22. danielpalos

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    I am not sure how you do, either. Are you denied and disparaged in your Individual Liberty by being told what you cannot buy under our form of Capitalism, all things being equal?

    Why, then, are some on the Right, such good Socialists by claiming they have a right to deny and disparage the privileges and immunities of the less wealthy and less capitally fortunate in our glorious Republic.
     
  23. JoeSixpack

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    If they want to spend 'their' money it has to be 'their money'. The money they are provided with is to purchase as much food/sustenance as they possibly can. It isn't theirs to squander.

    The same reason some on the left think they know what is best for others, they are supremacists. And using legislation to impose their beliefs on others is unethical, and unconstitutional when interpreted properly.
     
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    How do you acquire Good capital management skills with "funny money" instead of legal tender for all debts, public and private? I believe the biggest problem with ebt cards is that they cannot be used with financial planners under Any form of Capitalism.

    In other words, if it is Good for the least wealthy and least Capitally advantaged under our form of Capitalism, it is also Good for gun lovers?
     
  25. JoeSixpack

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    Allowing them to purchase junk foods and luxury food items certainly will not help them become more financially responsible. Limiting the merchandise that can be obtained also makes them less desirable as a resale item.

    Haven't got a clue what you are babbling about. :roflol:
     

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