Goooooood post. I liked , """Choosing to do something is a lot better than having no choice.""" ...especially in reference to abortion and women's rights... and """You can regret a miscarriage more, exactly because it's out of your control.""" True! And IF women lose control of their reproductive tracts they WILL have lots to regret...
..and they aren't or there wouldn't be so many kids in the system....."Pro-Lifers" don't always put their money and home where their mouth is..
There is an alternative that is much overlooked and ridiculed, and that alternative will neither result in pregnancy or adoption. KEEP YOUR CLOTHES ON AND LEARN TO CONTROL YOURSELF! This is a tried and true method that always works.
It is an ignorant position that hasn't worked since humans began.....humans just can't keep their clothes on or control themselves, it's a flaw created by their manufacturer... But maybe you're right, MEN should keep their clothes on and control themselves and there wouldn't be any unwanted pregnancies
MAYBE NOT EVERYONE HAS THAT OPTION! EVER HEAR OF RAPE?!? See how annoying that is? Having someone shout at you for committing the heinous sin of expressing a viewpoint? Now that we've gotten that out of our systems, perhaps we can carry on with this discussion as civilized folk? I do agree that there are a lot of people who are recklessly having sex with no forethought as to the impact on their lives and the lives of others. However, the fact remains that the majority of the anti-abortionists do not care about what happens to a child once it's born. Yes there is the possibility that the child is there because Mommy has a lack of strong morals and poor impulse control and Daddy is one out of a pool of half a dozen men who took advantage of said lack of morals, but none of that is the child's fault. In fact, the majority of children placed into the system are there because of the actions of one or both of the parents. But the anti-abortionists do not care. Look at your own response. I wrote a lengthy bit of the difficulties that people who can't have children (or do not want to have children opting instead to adopt a child in need). You either ignored it or just didn't care about it and went straight into the "KEEP YOUR CLOTHES ON AND LEARN TO CONTROL YOURSELF!" rant. That's an attitude that's fairly common in the anti-abortionist crowd. "Don't kill that fetus because of good Christian values" but once that child is born those "good Christian values" fly out the window. Hence all the children available for adoption but are trapped in a system that won't adopt them out to damn near anyone who isn't some nearly impossible archetype.
Here we go with this old canard. Statically, what is the percentage of women who are raped, that become pregnant? Beyond the rape factor, it is not the child's fault that his or her father is a rapist, so that is forcing someone else to pay the price of someone else's action(s).
Good post except for the sexist misogynistic:"""Yes there is the possibility that the child is there because Mommy has a lack of strong morals and poor impulse control and Daddy is one out of a pool of half a dozen men who took advantage of said lack of morals, but none of that is the child's fault.""" Women who have unwanted pregnancies are not all lacking strong morals or have "poor impulse control" or have sex with half a dozen men....and it's disgusting to see your view of women. Ya, once that child is born it's OK for you to denigrate it because it's human and female....NOT!
I control myself quite well, tyvm. I *will* have sex when, where and with whom *I* choose. If my contraceptive method fails, I *will* abort. I suggest you worry about your body and it's contents and I will worry about mine, k?
You know...I just don't feel like going through the motions with you. I wrote my post more for an eye on the flaws of the adoptIon system. And all you seem to want to do is vilify people for wanting to have sex. Not going to play that game with you. Maybe if you learn to how to read posts and focus on them as a whole (going into detail on the salient bits as needed) as opposed to seeing one tiny spec of it and beating everyone over the heads with it...I might take you off of the blocked list. Till then I say... "Tá m'árthach foluaineach lán d'eascanna"
Paladin, Zeffy, and Skruddgemire, What is it with you all, especially Zeffy and Skruddgemire? I vilified no one and did not condemn anyone who has frequent sexual liaisons. In truth, all I did was post an obvious solution to abortion. I am not a prophet, nor a messenger; all I did was mention promiscuity as an alternative to abortion, yet I was verbally assaulted for having the unmitigated gall to even mention a common sense approach to an issue that is a proverbial political hot potato in a nation that claims that it cherishes LIFE, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (civilized living), go figure. I will always remain anti-abortion and against all of the other issues that I willfully oppose, just as others will remain anti and pro what they choose. Paladin, I know that in this country, refraining from sexual intercourse is darned near impossible for most in this society, which is why governments accommodate such behavior which is a sad commentary about those in positions of influence which is part of the reason why this nation has and always will be divided, now more so than ever before. In the foreseeable future, balkanization will remain politically, which is not the fault of any political personality, including President Donald J. Trump. It is the nature of the thing to be divided in and of itself by default and there is not going to be anyone to come along and fix the division fissures, only within people who agree with each other where it matters and nothing else. In all honesty, this country is divided and will remain as such, period. If people become emotional over subject matter, it only shows their inability to reconcile their own internal divisions. In other words, if a person is truly settled on their opinions, they will not become emotional when faced with opposition. I am not for imposing my likes and dislikes on anyone, yet other take position that they are entitled to impose their ways upon others.
Self control is indeed lacking in this country, and I never said it was a bad idea, or that you were wrong for suggesting it. I agree it is a good solution. Its just not reliable enough to be THE solution. We cant depend on people to be responsible. The problem of children being created and raised irresponsibly is imo foundational to all other social problems in this country. We need 'backups' for when responsibility innevitably fails. As much as I would prefer that we could simply trust people to control themselves, history, biology and psychology show us that we cant. l Your point in calling it out as an option is a good reminder to folks... but responsibility has already failed, and we need alternatives or backups to it because it keeps failing.
"KEEP YOUR CLOTHES ON AND LEARN TO CONTROL YOURSELF!" The All Caps and the bold text certainly make it seem like you are. And you've still haven't been arsed to address the more salient point of my post where I mention that there are children in dire need of loving, stable families but will age out of the system because parents have to have the blessings of at least two popes in order to even get an interview.
Do you know what you just wrote? """promiscuity as an alternative to abortion"""...really? There is no common sense in asking humans to ignore human nature....or escape it. ..and all that includes women....they have a right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not bondage and slavery . And IF this country cherished life, it wouldn't go to war. ...and ALL societies, humans are human no matter what country they live in... , The government has no business either accomodating or forbidding sexual behaviour...REMEMBER LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and FREEDOM? WHO is trying to impose their ways on YOU? WHO? HOW? Personal responsibility includes being able to address those who respond to one's post, hiding from them isn't taking personal responsibility for one's words... YOU:"""If people become emotional over subject matter, it only shows their inability to reconcile their own internal divisions"" Is that why you referred to another poster as """you are an angry little viper"" ...because you're respectful and not emotional????REALLY!
Short and not so sweet response: Another person's child is not my responsibility that happens to be the responsibility of the two people who helped to bring about the child. The reason that so many males (not Men) support abortion is that such males refuse to handle their responsibility. I am not a Christian so what the Pope says means nothing at all to me. If I were t ever lose my mid and adopt someone else’s child, it would not be overseen through a church, synagogue or anything else, that decision would be entirely up to me and my wife. Back to the issue of males producing children that they refuse to acknowledge and support, so they advocate abortion. This is the reality of many of the males who are pro-abortion. Disgusting and vile creatures they are, but nothing will ever happen to such people; evil is the theme of this world, which is why it is doing itself in.
So "LIFE" isn't that precious to you once it's born.....not surprising. The issue was children who have been given up by their parents, they are alone and have no one.....and you, despite you declarations of how precious life is, wouldn't help them out....how hypocritical...
You're still not reading my posts. The mention of Popes was a bit of sarcasm and levity at the fact that in order to adopt, one needs to be of a standard that most people can not achieve. Hence the joke of needing the blessings of at least two popes. There is only one Pope after all. In fact I stated in my original post, the disqualifying point against my wife and I adopting was her diabetes. Managed, under control, good A1C scores, and otherwise healthy...but regardless of overall health and a prognosis of a long and healthy life in spite of it...the simple fact that she has it means that we can not adopt. And this is not a Church or other religious agency that we looked into, this was through state agencies. So were you living in the same state that I am in, it would be interesting to see if you are of Mary Poppins-level of perfection that the State deems is necessary to qualify. Some points I'd like to ask of you. What if those two people, through no fault of their own were no longer able to care for the child. You know...like being killed by a drunk driver. There are children who are in the system who are there because of traumatic circumstances that you could hardly blame the children for nor can really blame the parents. And you may be thinking "What about the rest of the family?" Well in the case of my friends father, should something have happened to him while he was a child...his paternal grandparents were dead several years before he was born and his mother's parents were of pretty advanced age and no one would subject an 80-year couple to the needs and energy levels of a toddler for long term care. And no, no aunts or uncles, both his Mom and Dad were only parents. Say they were taken out by a drunk? Are you still willing to lump that child in with the whole "KEEP YOUR CLOTHES ON AND LEARN TO CONTROL YOURSELF!" category? So do you believe that a desire to adopt is a mental illness? Or at least a momentary act of "being out of one's mind"?
Children should not be viewed as a 'responsibility' or aka a burden to endure. They are humans that need a nurturing, loving environment to promote positive contributions to our world. They should not be forced to be a 'punishment' on the reckless, but instead deserve to the blessing to those who would view them as such.
i.e. responsibility! I never implied, stated, or suggested that children are burdens. Not once in the post did I type such a thing; after all, I was a child too. I am simply reiterating that children are not play-toys or playthings; they are HUMAN BEINGS, PERIOD. Being that they are human beings, both male and female (the parents) should take the mature and responsible approach to sexual intercourse. When this takes place, abortion is obsolete. Abortion (Elective Abortion, aka Abortion on Demand) is nothing more than an afterthought contraceptive procedure and has very little to do with “Women’s Health”. To me it is a barbaric medical practice brought about in most cases as a means to an end. This explains why I made the suggestion that I did in reference to KEEPING YOUR CLOTHES ON. For a baby to be produce, i.e., pregnancy, there has to be male-female copulation. Without said behavior, there is no pregnancy, so there is no need for abortion. See me being anti-abortion is factored in with more than just "saving children". I have a complete approach to life and live life with responsibility. I am also cognizant of the fact that I have no control over any other than me and the same applies to everyone else. If people want to live irresponsibly, that is completely on them for life is all about Freedom, Justice, Equality, and Independency. We all have the Freedom to do as we please. Justice comes (normally in a just society; under normal circumstances) as a product or reaction to what we all do. This makes us experience Equality as the result of Justice (normal) under the laws of Action and Reaction, Cause and Effect, in a natural environment. All of these enable us to experience Independence (in a just society; under normal circumstances).
And if they don't? What do you want done with the children? Should they be punished because of what their parents did or didn't do? Abortion has been around for hundreds if not thousands of years.....and so has sex....YOU cannot wish them away. They will always be there... . Is that your way of saying you don't give a rat's behind what happens to kids after they're born? Sure looks like it. They should just disappear because their parents had sex? Wow, that's a weird concept!!! BTW, I did notice you didn't take personal responsibility and address my posts....no answer ?
To answer the question that you pose to me: No I do not think that adoption is a mental illness. As I have stated, I personally would not adopt someone else's child.
odd response since you said you would have to be out of your mind to adopt..... I'm sorry if my posts embarrassed you so much you couldn't address them.....did they just contain too many facts??
