Supreme Court strikes New York gun law in major ruling

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    Not at all, knowing the consequences, Reid withheld making the Supreme Court a majority vote, but as we say with Garland, Mitch didn’t give a rat’s ass about principle nor tradition

    And forget the “following Constitution” BS, this Court has no intention of following anything other than their own personal views, prostituting the Constitution to rationalize their thinking, Alito revealed such in this Roe case and Thomas in yesterday’s gun ruling
     
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    And thus:
    You;re just mad the GOP played hardball, and won.
     
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    Not true, they also handle simple administrative cases that have been appealed up to that level

    Not mad, as I said, all this was expected when Mitch, beginning with Garland, played politics to purposely end the SCOTUS as we knew it, as the Founders intended, as a separate Branch of government
     
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    The court is political or not,. You can't have it both ways.
    Not at all, knowing the consequences, Reid withheld making the Supreme Court a majority vote, but as we say with Garland, Mitch didn’t give a rat’s ass about principle nor tradition
    And forget the “following Constitution” BS, this Court has no intention of following anything other than their own personal views, prostituting the Constitution to rationalize their thinking, Alito revealed such in this Roe case and Thomas in yesterday’s gun ruling

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    Anger
     
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    Your opinion is valuable to me and I give you my word that I will consider it at my earliest convenience.
     
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    A basic principle of american jurisprudence is that you are not responsible for the torts and crimes of others.
    If someone commits a crime, that is not a justification to take a right from me.

    You don't have the right to feel or even BE safe. You have the right to defend yourself.
    You don't have the right to feel or even BE happy. You have the right to PURSUE happiness.
     
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    The bold and the underlined do not make grammatical sense. Prefatory clauses do not list conditions for operative clauses. Prefatory clauses do not have any effect to modify or alter the operative clause's meaning.
     
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    Shocking, especially the rationalization, it coming from one who has been so wrong so many times so often in the last few years regarding Covid, I ain’t missing much
     
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    YES they are entirely intended to be tone deaf. Their job is to relate what the document says, their job is not to say "well the document does say X but that would be insensitive right now so we'll just say it says Y instead".
     
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    Care to point out an example of your claim?

    I understand you're having a bad day but no need to take it out on me
     
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    Oh, so the “all men ….. are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life ……” was just bullshit
     
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    Is that all you want?

    Well regulated means to be in working order. To function. IE A well regulated bowel pushes properly formed turds out on a generally normal schedule. A well regulated clock keeps time without slippage.
    A well regulated militia is a militia that is in working order. For a militia to be in working order its members must be able to 1) receive a call to arms and immediately begin to access their gear 2) be geared up very swiftly (in the revolutionary war, a minute. Literally grab your bag, grab your flask, grab your powder and shot, grab your rifle, hug your wife and leave), 3) bring sufficient ammunition, water, food, and gear to subsist in the field for a few days 4) be armed with generally the same thing as a regular infantry soldier would be packing at bare minimum.
    To do that, the citizenry at large needs to be able to purchase arms, shot, and other provisions a soldier might find useful in the field. Arms need to be proliferated in such a way that advancement occurs, and supply keeps up with demand.

    THAT'S what a well regulated militia means using the text, history, and tradition single prong test.
     
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    You have the right to protect yourself, and we have the right to punish any person who takes your life.
    You don't have a right to say "I feel unsafe and I'm too lazy or cowardly to defend myself, therefore I demand all persons be disarmed on pain of death".
    That's not what right to life means.
     
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    You are responsible for providing the means to exercise your rights.
     
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    It is political, 100% political, by design, did you think cases as those over bankruptcy (Siegel v Fitzgerald) involved heavy ideology
     
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    Oh, so then they aren’t inherent or God given
     
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    "Well regulated" modifies "Militia"
    The right to keep and bear arms, as protected by the 2nd. is held by the people.
    Not the militia.
    Not the people in the militia.
    The people.
    Thus, the definition of the "well regulated militia" is irrelevant when discussing the right to keep and bear arms by the people, as protected by the 2nd.
     
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    On Covid, you kidding, nearly everything the right echoed, from it’s no worse than the common cold to Lysol and Hydroxychloroquine were the solution and everything else in between, listening to anyone from the right offer any opinion on Covid is like hearing Lloyd Christmas bloviate on anything
     
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    Non seq.
     
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    And seceding from the Union is a good thing?
     
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    Ah, no, the prefatory clause is what makes the operative clause relevant, like any father telling his kid I will give you five dollars if you clean the garage, one is conditional on the other, you are saying the kid is entitled to the five dollars regardless if he cleans the garage or not
     
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    Depends.
     
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    Not according to Jefferson
     

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