Taking our country back? I dont get it. Please explain

That's fine! Lets go back to those founding principles and include some of those principles we left out. You know like being able to bear arms to defend yourself, but to limit that provision so this time that in the act of defending yourself does not include murdering and taking over the homes and territories of native Americans. Or another one we need to include is one where we stay out of other countries in the act of defending ourselves by which we physically take human beings, place them in bondage at gun point, take them out of their own country and enslave them. If your going to go back to the founding principles, how about making it right this time.

 

Slavery was wrong, native americans were treated terribly. Unfortunately, we can't go back and undo those wrongs. But last time I checked slavery had ended in the USA and the BIA was doing a pretty good job for native americans.

We learn from history, so hopefully we don't make the same mistakes. Too bad we didn't learn anything from Viet Nam.

 

I can see you haven't been out to the reservations in the southwest lately. Yes, Vietnam was a national tragedy and a waste of thousands of lives.

 

I know.these idiot american sheople are so eager to enlist and throw their lives away.amazing how like you said,they didnt learn anything at all from vietnam.btw,I assume you knew that,that the REAL history is that Jfk wanted no part of vietnam and never sent in combat troops.That it was Ike who got us embedded in vietnam and Kennedy resisted Ikes policys for esculation of war but once Johnson got in,he was following Ikes policys of a touch agression stance against those bad communists and esculated the war with the phony Gulf Of Tonkin incident.I assume you knew all about that?

yep the sheople just dont get it that war means big business for all these corporations.that our government WANTS war cause of that and decade after decade,they treat our vets like they are nazis and the sheople still ignorantly goes out and fight for them.

 

you pretty much nailed it on the assassination of Jfk but obviously ignorant on 9/11.there are many threads in the 9/11 section that prove that version to be a fairy tale.you might take the time to read them.the governments version of events and their theorys on that is whats more laughable than Big foot.I love my country as well.I just hate our screwed up government the american sheople have allowed it to become committing atrocities against the american people and never doing anything about it like they do decade after decade.our forefathers would be rightly so be disgustewd with the american sheople if they could get into a time machine and see how they have let it become a facist dictatership like they have.

 

Its not that easy,as a politician you cant just pull out all of a sudden.He had to do what he was doing,come across as being hard nosed against it but gradually pulling them out which he was doing.a few days before his assassination,he had ordered 1000 troops to be withdrawn by the end of the year.Johnson again,reversed that directive.

The war continued under him but again,it would not have happened and 58.000 men would not have died if he had lived since he was adamantly against combat troops.

there no conspiray theories in my posts just facts that ramblings by you.silly arguments ARE THE ONLY ONES YOUR COMING UP WITH AND IGNORING.

 

most of what you said is correct, but you are wrong about a conspiracy between govt and defense industries to start wars in order to make money. Left wingers have been saying that for years and there has never been anything put forward to validate that claim.

The real tragedy of our stupid wars is the loss of young americans and the way they are treated when they come home broken and damaged.

We all know that we accomplished nothing in Viet Nam, What did we accomplish in Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya? Nothing!

OBL was taken out by less than 10 guys and they all came home.

 

Which of the various countries they come from do the Extremists want back? They clearly have no right whatever to the one they are occupying, do they?

 

adding on to this is matter of fact his aides have said he told them he might go down as the least popular president in history but he would not under any circumstances send in combat troops into vietnam.He told them according to them,that he wanted to pull out of vietnam but he would not be able to until after being reelected.

As a politician he had to come across to the american people that he had a touch stance against communism which is why he increased military personal of ADVISORS to make it look like he was having a hard line stance on the war but he defintely had no interest in vietnam saying in an interview with Walter Kronkite in sept 63-I dont think the war can be one out there.In the final anaylsis its their war,their the ones that have got to win it.In that interview you can see where it says combat casualtys 82 on the tv screen which AGAIN is a far cry from 58,00O that those bastards Johnson and Nixon murdered.

Funny how you backpeddle when you are proven wrong that Kennedy got us into the war when the facts are he inherited it from Eisenhower and then ignore as usual,the facts I posted on the first page that he was nothing at all like the presidents we have had since go ignored as well.

Ever since then,every president with the exception of carter,has been more evil and corrupt than the previous one so its guaranteed from here on out,every president that gets in is going to be more evil and corrupt than the previous one with this corrupt two party system we have and thats cause we dont elect these people,they are SELECTED for us by the establishment and put in office because of them and till the americna people get off their lazy arses and fight to take their country back,thats the way it will always be sadly.

I mentioned Carter being the exception of being worse than the previous president.Thats because that bastard Ford pardoned that mass murderer Nixon so that makes him even more evil than Nixon.Its one thing to commit the crime but to coverup for him is the worse crime.

Carter like Kennedy also tried to get rid of the CIA.He only implemented the plan his last year in office so he never had time to fulfill his wishes and thats why he only served one term in office because he was set up to lose the election and not get relected by them.

The CIA is a major reason the world is in the mess that it is because they have become a policy maker for the government now when its original intention when Truman created it was just to have spies spy on other countrys and gather information on them and report their findings direcly to the president.Because of that Truman himself even later on in years said himself that creating the CIA was the worst mistake he ever made as president,that he helped create a nightmare.true story. Kennedy was like I said before,a man of peace who belived in war peace and was trying to establish peaceful relations with Castro and Kruschev.That was top priority on his list as president.vietnam was on the back burner.after his assassination,that all changed and vietnam became a top priority on Johnsons agenda and thats when the war esculated cause he implemented Eisenhowers plans he had drew up his last year in office.

I know all this because I have studied the vietnam war and the policys of Kennedy exhaustively and most historians have said that Kennedy as a politician could not just completely withdraw from vietnam just like that as president,that if he did so,he would anger the american people and would lose their support for the next election and not get their votes so as a politician he had to make it look like he had a hard line stance on vietnam and after his reelection,its a well known fact he was going to completely withdraw from vietnam by 1965. He had to wait till after his reelection though before he could fulfill his desire to completely pull out of vietnam.

Like i said before,just a few days before his assassination he had signed a document to have a 1000 troop withdrawel by the end of the year.after his assassination,Johnson signed a document that reversed his policy and they were not withdrawn.

I like any true american is grateful that Jfk got elected in nove 1960 instead of Dick Nixon is this is one of the reason why in this link of thie thread of mine that everybody here shoudl read.

http://www.politicalforum.com/histo...-jfk-got-elected-1960-instead-dick-nixon.html

we would have wars like we do now if kennedy had lived because our government is usually behind most of them and if kennedy had had his way,he would have stopped this corruption.Castro himself said after kennedy was killed he told and aide that was sent to him when he was trying to have diolouge with him castro said-Oh this is bad,this is not good at all.I fear for the future of the world what will happen now.

Thats not his exact words.I dont remember them exactly but it was very similiar to that because after his assassination,the diologue that had been going on between him and Kennedy on trying to establish peaceful relations with each other,completely stopped when Johnson got in office.Johnson never acknowledged any of what castro mentioned to him about continuing the diologe of peaceful relations him and Kennedy established with each other.

His assassination altered the course of history forever and in a major bad way.the world has never been the same since.many americans were devasted by it because he was trying toi change things for the better for the american people and the world.for the first time in DECADES,they had hope for the future.that all changed with his assassination that day.

 

If you believe the fairy tales of the government that is.In reality he was killed off in november 2001 by our government.

but you are wrong about a conspiracy between govt and defense industries to start wars in order to make money. Left wingers have been saying that for years and there has never been anything put forward to validate that claim.

You havent done any research on this item I can tell because Im not wrong about this at all.

 

I spent 40 years in and around the defense industry both in the USA and around the world. So I do know what I am talking about.

If OBL was killed in 2001, why would the govt cover it up for all those years? So obozo could take credit for it? Don't be foolish.

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I agree, the left wing extremists have no right to occupy the USA. Glad to see that you finally came to that realization,.

 

Our chance to be a free country again was obviously taken away from us on nov 22nd 1963 but the truth is we actually became a facist dictatership losing our freedoms and liberties on dec 25th 1913.

Thats when most the members of congress were out of town for the holidays on christmas and the few that were there that day were bought off and corrupt and signed the federal reserve act that created the federal reserve a private and illegal organization that is not part of our government.Thomas Jefferson warned the american to be aware of private bankers and their greed to take over the country,too bad the american people did not listen to him.what he said could happen back then has been going on ever since.Jefferson was a prophet and a man ahead of his time.He knew the dangers of private banks taking over our country like they have.

The thing thats a joke about the federal reserve is that the government says we need it so our government can have taxes to pay for everything.Thats a sick joke because from 1976 up to 1913,we got along just fine financing everything and we didnt have taxes then.

This video explains it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6ayb02bwp0
Its a video everyone at this site should take two hours out of their time to view.The man who produced this video was murdered by the CIA for doing so matter of fact.

 

so the american people whould still give support for the war.im not being foolish,you are though in your ramblings that there is no evidence that there is a conspiracy of defense industries and the government.

you obviously swallowed the lies and propaganda they told you all those years in your alleged research so you really DONT know what your talking about.hee hee.the proof is in the pudding on that the way you swallowed the lies about OBL being alive till 2011.They waited to say he was dead now in 2011 to make our facist dictater president Obama look like a hero and say-Well he killed Bin Laden so I'll vote for him.

The elite are pleased with the atrocities Obama has committed against the american people so they wanted to make sure he got reelected.again we dont elect these people,they are selected for us by the elite.

next thing your going to tell me is you believe in the fairy tales by the government that AQ and Bin Ladin were behind the attacks even though the bin laden family was allowed to fly out of our country when everyone else was grounded.

 

so your theory on OBL is that everyone in the CIA, DOD, FBI, White house, and congress was in on a vast conspiracy to cover up the real killing in order to make obama look good? Is that your theory?

Now, on DOD and contractors, sure there is pork, always has been, but thats not what you are claiming when you say there was a profit based conspiracy to start wars.

 

since your one of the more reasonable posters here to answer your question,I would say the majority of the people in there knew.the elite pick the most corrupt people they can trust to do their bidding so i would say most of congress knew because as everyone knows who has done research,the majority of congress is corrupt.

Bought off and paid for.thats why they recently earned a 7% approval rating.the lowest they have ever received in their entire history because they are ignoring the people. The majority of the people in those other organizations are corrupt as well so yeah,I would say the MAJORITY of them in those corrupt institutions are all part of it.

I assume you have heard the word compartmentalization before? if not,thats where only a select number of people who are carefully selected are in on it and know about it,they are on a need to know basis.

The few in there that are not corrupt,the lower level people,are kept out of the loop on it.everyone of those organizations you listed of course are all evil corrupt institutions that all need to be abolished.with congress we need people in there that are not bought off and paid for and for the white house,we need a third party president not part of the corrupt two party system of course.

It always amazes me the ignorance of the american sheople,they always say-No way could our govenment have orchestrated 9/11 or the kennedy assassination because there would be too many people involved and they could never keep a secret.the problem with that rant is the lower level people that pull it off are either bought off and paid to keep their mouth shut and they do or they kill them if they dont think they can keep quiet to tie up loose ends.

Here is a great example how our government can have many people involved and keep it a secret in fact.In the 50 when Eisenhower was president,Dick Nixon was running secret covert wars for the CIA in indonisia that even Eisnehower did not know about.they did not trust Eisenhower to keep it a secret but Nixon was their boy.

It was kept a secret that involved THOUSANDS of people but was kept a secret from the american people for over 40 years till a freedom of information act in the 90's by some courgeous congressperson came across them in a suit filed.

btw,have YOU seen that video i posted in my link in my first post on this page FREEDOM TO FASCISM.it takes a couple hours to watch but you take that time to watch movies right? so please watch it if you havent.Its a video everyone should see. Like I said,if you watch it,you'll realise we have been in a facist country and have lost more and more liberties and freedoms since dec 25th 1913.

as i said before,if Kennedy had lived,thats not how it would be today.He was changing things better for mankind.because of that,thats why again,so many people not just here in american,but around the world were devasted over his assassination cause for the first time in decades,americans had hope for the future and a lot to look forward to cause he was changing all that.Because of that,he was probably the 2nd greatest president that ever lived right after only George Washington.He did more for the people in his short 1000 days in office than any other president ever except him.we will never have a president anything like him ever again sadly.He was an extremely intelligent man and way ahead of his time.

regarding that video,like i said before,the producer who made that video,there is evidence that the CIA was involved in his murder for making that video.

 

sorry, but a conspiracy that big would never hold together, someone would run to the media or some rag in order to make money.

9/11 was done by radical muslims and OBL was killed by seal team 6

I do agree that Kennedy was one of our better presidents and its too bad that he did not live out his full term. But why was he screwing Marilyn Monroe and putting it all at risk? I know she was hot, but come on. Who do you think is responsible for the conspiracy to kill her?

 

That may be, but a lot of people think they lost their country the day a black, muslim, commie, lefthanded, Kenyan became president. Everybody knows the code-speak.

 

Hyperbole much?

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Hyperbole much?

 

He's LEFT-HANDED???


We've lost the country!

 

NO, the country was lost when 51% of american voters thought obama was the best choice for president, you deserve what you vote for.

 

So they were immoral? A Vice-President "plots and carries out the death of a President"....and because the men on the Warren Commission have "sworn to secrecy" ....they go to their death-bed letting the "plotters and murderers" get off the hook?

BTW, just to skip a step...if you say "Yes, they were"....then you have to explain why they didn't just DESTROY the records? If you say "No, they weren't"...then you're stuck with how for 46 years none of them spoke up.

 

I can't answer your theoretical questions. The only thing that both of us know is that some portions of the warren report were sealed for 75 years. Until we see what is in there, we can't answer as to why they did it or why no one has spoken out.

 

Let me make a long-range bet with you....if we both live to see 2038......the records will be unsealed....and there will be NO evidence that Lyndon Johnson conspired with anybody to kill John F. Kennedy.

And the reaction from the Kennedy Conspiracists (including yourself)?....will be to claim FURTHER conspiracy and that the records were "altered" or "edited" or "completely falsified".

Because this isn't a matter of truth to you....it's a matter of near-religious FAITH, as most ardant conspiracism is. You want to believe what you want to believe....and even the evidence YOU cite (the sealed records) as "authoritative" will be dismissed by you, if it doesn't comport with your belief.

 

On top of it all, he's left-handed.

 

Kinda hard to figure, ain't it. The Dems put up a black, muslim, commie foreigner, the Reps put up a white Christian with pretty teeth. And the black, muslim, commie foreigner wins by 5,000,000 votes. Something wrong with this picture.