Talking with liberals about the 2nd amendment

'We eventually could have as safe a society as Japan that has about 5 deaths by gun a year vs our 33,000 per year.'

Actually, without guns,Japan has as many suicides annually , as we have suicides and homicides combined (which is where that bogus 33k number comes from) so that's not much of an aspiration

 

yep...I agree, I'm getting old and tired,let's get this over with

 

http://abc13.com/6-year-old-dies-after-shooting-himself-with-siblings-at-home/2999951/

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ies-Boy-7-accidentally-shoots-kills-self.html

 

Using a Daily Mail story you might as well be winking and have Satan's manhood in your hand

 

https://www.clarionledger.com/story...hot-her-father-loses-unborn-child/1072570001/

 

Very sad. 6 years is old enough to know not to touch a gun.

 

http://www.alabamanews.net/2018/01/02/7-year-old-boy-accidentally-shoots-kills/

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-after-finding-gun-authorities-say/995343001/

 

You should have apologised for using a right wing fake news rag like the Mail. Be more careful in future!

 

http://m.wbrc.com/story/37162327/ne...se-of-4-year-old-boy-shooting-himself-bibb-co

 

And using politics to excuse the slaughter of your own children is reprehensible

 

The Mail promotes hate. It is also essentially alien to democracy, owned by the rich and peddling skewed guff to the rest. Just learn your error and don't quote them. If you do, you'll only cheapen your argument

 

Not as much as you are showing a political bias as defense of the slaughter of children. I have posted two different links to reports of the same story but you have ignored them rather sticking to your "Shoot the messenger" tactics

 

This is a pathetic reply. You used a crap resource. You used one which was alien to your core politics. React accordingly and stop whining

 

So someone on the internet speculating about guns is reason to hyperventilate?

 

How many accidental deaths of children from guns per year? 151 average per year, over 17 years?

 

Talk about cheapening an argument, you have shown me that you are willing to attack, attack and keep attacking purely on your what appears hatred for my source. You have the arrogance to tell me my validity is at risk, if that is in your opinion then that is of little consequence as I have no value for your opinion after this little foray.

 

small price to pay for your right to own whatever gun you want and take it where ever you want. No one has yet come close to showing me 4 or 5 cases of LIVES SAVED by self-defense using a gun.
That doesn't include the massacres, murders, and suicides of children. It doesn't include Adults accidentally killed by children. Then when we get to this point, let's start looking at adult accidents, murders, suicides, and massacres.
But like you say, they are a martyr for a good cause, YOUR rights as you perceive them

 

I have many accounts of using firearms in personal Defense.
Way more than 5.

 

And a reasonable proportion of those are not self defence

 

Please enlighten me. I could post hundreds.

 

How would you propose to know that ?

All of them after a full investigation, were cleared as "instances of self defense."

 

So post your hundreds.

 

Been researched. And a large proportion of so called DVUs were actually offensive uses