Teaching Progressive/Leftist Ideology in our Schools

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    No doubt schools are not.
     
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    Our massive corrupt land based education system has become an obvious obsolete boondoggle.
    All government funding of education should be immediately transferred into vested accounts controlled by the parents and guardians of children. Almost all of the real estate devoted to public education should be sold for some productive use.

    That would be real education reform. Are any Republican pols calling for that kind of fundamental reform? ;-)
     
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    And what about standards across states?
     
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  5. Ddyad

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    States could require standardized basic skills tests - reading, writing math, but the most reliable enforcer of standards will always be the parents and guardians of children with enough capital resources to select better teachers and schools for their children.
     
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    In colleges????? :roflol: Since you confuse college education with 7th grade education, I have to assume you've never seen the inside of a college!! :roflol:

    One tip-off is that you don't know WTF an "elective" is. You apparently think it's a voter.
     
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    At this point most parents, across the spectrum, would settle for schools that could teach their children to read and write.

    CBS NEWS, ”Officials: 80 Percent Of Recent NYC High School Graduates Cannot Read" CBS, 3/7/13.
    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/03...recent-nyc-high-school-graduates-cannot-read/

    Of course, given the power and resources, they would demand far more.
     
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    Perfect

    And this is because children can't be indoctrinated IF allowed to read! They are being vocally manipulated and the BOOKS are contradictory to what leftist propagandist instructors are teaching.. Once they have the young minds "Burned in" then they are free to read EVERY thing they have been taught to disbelieve!
     
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    Heaven forbid that parents actually engage enough in their child's future that they take up any slack in the education system.
     
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    I agree, Bush's "No Child Left Behind" was a failure, dragging kids along even that can't read was wrong, they have to learn to pass or this is what happens

    these children needed help, not just to be dragged along, no one should ever graduate without being able to read.. ever
     
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  11. Libhater

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    Looks like you got totally confused within this entire thread. Try reading the last portion of my OP where it asked 'would you send your children here' referring to the outline of those particular school's overall curriculum that emphasizes the teaching of social, emotional, personal and physical feel-good lessons, as opposed to teaching the basics like science, history, math and English. Those three 'Would you send your children here' quotes were obviously referring to schools K-12. So I'm not confusing K-12 with colleges courses at all. And you're assumption that I never saw the inside of a college is totally wrong, and just as wrong as your ridiculous statement that I confused college education with 7th grade education.
    You see, I did lay out my college attendance at Salem State University in Salem, Taxachusetts for all to see in another post, that was unfortunately deleted from this forum for some unknown reason. I see no reason to go into details about my college days <COMMENTS EDITED>
     
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    What a pile of garbage. The article does not say that 80% can’t read. It says that 80% need remedial classes to attend college. But that says nothing as that is about the rate at which most Americans fall short, as to what is required to successfully navigate college level work. There are classes that require students to write a 500-1000 word essay on a two hour test. You’d be surprised how many find that to be extremely difficult.

    Colorado is one of those states that does very well at teaching students mathematics. One of the best in the country. Yet still, only around 30% or so graduate with full mathematical competency. Which includes basic algebra, geometry, and trigonometry. Most states only require competencies up through the addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division of decimal numbers in order to graduate high school. Which is about all most Americans know, or will ever use. It gives those with deep mathematical understanding, a clear superpower over the average American.
     
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    Bush’s program was based on standards that dropped every year. They set standards in Texas, and then lowered those standards so that more students would meet the standard, which made it appear as if they were improving, when it was just smoke and mirrors.
     
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    Know-it-all teachers create know-it-all children.

    "A high openness score means you're open-minded - you see the world for what it is - whereas a low openness score means you're incredibly closed-minded, and you see the world the way you want to see it, regardless of what is actually going on." Adeo Rossi
     
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    I was reading before I began kindergarten, as were my children. In elementary school it was common for the teacher to have students read from a book, each in turn. I was always bothered at how poorly many of my fellow students could read. I would often read through the entire passage before a few of the others would get through their paragraph, struggling, sounding out the letters as they trudged along. On my report cards, teachers complained that I read too fast.

    In forth grade my teacher pulled me aside one day and handed me a piece of paper that was about half full of text. She told me to read it and then tell her what I had just read. She seemed impressed. After that, I was put in a class with other students who also read too fast. When I started Junior High, on the first day of sixth grade, my English teacher gave us all a workbook. The idea was that everyday we would do a page from the workbook. She made it sound as if it would be daily homework. This was the day before Labor Day weekend. My mom was really into the Jerry Lewis Telethon. As such our family life, on Labor Day weekends, tended to center around watching the telethon. We often ate food off of snack trays, as is done at super bowl parties.

    Anyhow, I settled in for three days of television with my fresh new English workbook in hand. Most of it was about sentence construction, with a lot of sentence diagramming. I figured I’d get a head start on my future homework and began to do the exercises in the book. Some of it I already knew, having been in the class for students who read too fast the previous two years. The rest I was able to figure out on my own. I really got into it and did one page after another. By time Monday bedtime came around, I had mostly completed the workbook.

    Come Tuesday, and right after roll call, my English teacher had us pull out our workbooks. She gave us some instruction and then told us to work through the first page in the workbook. As the other students began to work, I just sat there, fidgeting. When my teacher asked why I was not working, I told her I had already finished. She looked to be skeptical as she grabbed my workbook to see what I had done. That was the last day in that class. For the rest of Junior High I took a class called topics in English. Mostly I would research a topic and then write an essay. I wrote one essay, treating comics as if they were serious literature.

    In High School, for English, except for a public speaking class I also took classes called topics in English. I had a really cool teacher and she encouraged me to more deeply explore the nature of language, to deconstruct the written word. Did a lot of deconstruction on song lyrics and popular sayings.


    I was first introduced to right wing rhetoric through a colleague at work. Every afternoon he would play Mike Rosen and Rush Limbaugh on his radio. Annoyingly loud at times. And to think that there are conservatives who insist that “leftest” are lacking in the old noggin, brainwashed into ignorance. Kind of funny.
     
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    Good for you and your children.. Apparently you are above the curve.. But after reading many of your posts I don't see this post and those how will change my POV ;)
     
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    UNFORTUNATELY nobody is teaching much of anything in our schools in 2020 or 2021. Our children are being cheated out of an education while taxes to support the CLOSED schools have not come down one red cent?????
     
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    Gee, “ they” devote entire colleges to religion, the biggest fallacy of them all.
     
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    That is the way with the low row. Incoming information that does not agree with what one already believes is rejected at the subconscious level. Which of course makes your original assertion an absurdity.
     
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    Ain’t that the truth. In fact Christian colleges skew the data to make conservatives appear more educated than they are. They are low level colleges with easy entrance requirements and an easy curriculum. The faith is more important than knowledge. When one looks at the raw data, it appears as if there are large numbers of college educated conservatives, which contradicts, to some extent, that liberals tend to be more intelligent and educated than the general population and especially more intelligent and educated than yer average conservative. But when it is considered, especially at the higher level, that the conservatives with doctorates tend to have a degree in some religious mambo jumbo. Which is in stark contrast to liberals who get advanced degrees in science and engineering, where there are few conservatives.
     
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    I'm coming more and more around to the notion that this kind of stuff is really damaging on the whole, and it's definitely true that the definition of what it is to be "educated" has changed. It now has to do with being molded to be the perfect office worker, and all of the woke/CRT crap is part and parcel to that.

    It really bothers me especially what is happening to history departments. There is this pervasive attitude I'm seeing that historical figures must be judged by modern (e.g. woke) standards that nobody can live up to, and it leads to really bad history like the 1619 project. And this stuff is really recent too. I graduated not too long ago (7 years) and while this was an undercurrent, I still had professors who were capable of being critical without applying modern attitudes to everything they taught.
     
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    I guess the history departments had time to talk about the past.THATS THEIR JOB. It is called history for a reason. But, regardless of whether you agree or not, the rest of college class loads are devoted to factual endeavors.

    Walk into a math or science course, the cores of engineering, and there is little to no BS. So content deep are these classes, they become the most difficult to matriculate towards degree. Yet, we have a plethora of conservatives who think they know science because they read the “bible” which is the antithesis of factual information.

    Gees-us, even course loads in English, the arts and law are heavily loaded and difficult to work your way through. There is little to no politics in them......
     
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    Say what? Who are the 'they' that devote entire colleges to religion?
     
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    So YOU have never heard of Liberty college in Virginia?
     
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    Take a good look at the entire course load from Liberty to see if the college is entirely devoted to religion. In fact, religion courses seem to be at a ridiculously low minimum there at Liberty. I can see where you may not like the program at Liberty since I couldn't find a course titled 'Secular Socialism in America Today'

    https://catalog.liberty.edu/undergraduate/courses/
     
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