Texas Police Execute One Armed One Legged Man WheelChair Bound Man

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  1. Bluesguy

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    It most certainly does. The people attacking the police from the getgo not only dismissed they scoffed at the fact that he merely had a pen, a Sharpie. Well it took me about 2 minutes to find those cites I posted of people being injured and even killed by people welding a pen.
    Baseless conjecture.

    Yes because they will use force to stop you, they don't have to sit there an let you do it.

    I submit you have no basis for your statement. You don't now whether the man was lunging at, and yes he could have gotten up on his one leg and lunged at the officer he had cornered and injured him and possibly killing him.

    On what basis do you assert there is absolutely change whatsoever that that could have happened merely because he had only one leg and one arm. He still had one of each working quite well.

    I didn't read where there were police on hand and that it was a standoff did you?

    The fact is a sharp pointed plastic object can cause serious injury or even death. And even one arm swinging poses danger and if the person jumps at a person they can kill them if not stopped.


    Why do you think it the higher moral ground to have preferred the police officer receive severe injury or death than to have used force to stop this man who was threatening them?
     
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    What's the last resort when the man plunges at you with a sharp object? What is your basis to claim it was knee-jerk?
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    I don't believe in sloganeering. Crime is a REAL issue, we have to have a police force to enforce our laws and to protect us against criminals who would prey upon us otherwise. That is what WE hire THEM to do for US. Remember we hire them and they work for us. Now you can certainly get with the other citizens in your cite and vote to not have a police force. You can do that. You can get your state to vote to not have state troopers it that is what you want. Let me know when you get your campaign going.

    They are not a standing army by any stretch and you confuse Federal with State and Local. How do I feel about the "militarization" of some police forces. I think it way over done. But then I recall the two men out in Hollywood a few years ago who dressed up in the bullet proof clothing and with illegal fully automatic weapons went on a shooting rampage. The police arrived and they had no weapons or equipment or dress to combat them and even had to go into local gunshops and pawnshops to get heavy caliber weapons to put the guys down. Do I think regular officers on the streets should be in military style uniforms. No if I were chief of police the would be in civil uniforms. Yes I would have a SWAT team or several for the times we live in.

    I think you have conflated federal with state and local.
     
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    Don't you mean Sharpee object versus sharp object? LOLOLOLOL

    I love the drama! Plunges at you...how? How did he do that from his wheelchair? Seriously. Oh sure, he would have plunged...forward onto the floor.
     
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    Man in wheelchair with only two limbs and a felt tip marker does not equal men with guns.

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    Deadly weapon????? Seems we've that part, right??
     
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    The sheer depths of deliberate ignorance and fallacious, ridiculous conspiracy scenarios people will go to in order to defend police no matter the scenario is pathetic.
     
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    Wait til you hear about the jujitsu masters who can kill with feathers...
     
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    Hey now, how are police to know that the next person they meet isn't a jujitsu master with a feather up their sleeve! They should have every right to defend themselves from this possible jujitsu threat by shooting anyone that is near them.

    STOP tying the hands of our police department and let them do their jobs!
     
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    Was the guy's name "Lucky'?
     
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    So it's protect and serve themselves. Any hint of a threat to their august personages and these trained bully boys cum wilting flowers pull their weapons and start shooting. God forbid they should assess the situation with any concern for a mundane! Besides, do you know how HARD it is to get felt tip pen ink out of a blue uniform?? They only get a small allowance for uniforms each month, and the commander will want them crisp and clean.
     
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    Just don't mess with texas law enforcement, they don't use tasers for some reason, they went straight for the gun.

    Mental illness in texas means, extra crazy and dangerous, from the looks of it. There is no way to appeal something like this, the supreme court in Texas, is conservative, and would justify this act.

    Best to remind oneself where they want to act like they have a 'mental illness', to avoid judge and jury on the street corner.
     
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    well, thanks to your buddies in blue, we'll never get the real story. All the witnesses are dead. Case closed, 'cause we know LEO NEVER lies, cheats or murders....and since they are under the watchful eye of other police, they can sleep good at night knowing they murdered another wheel chair bound victim. Heck, they probably figured they were doing the world a favor.
    There's always karma....they will reap what they sow and they will perish by the sword, or in this case, a felt tip marker.
    Gawd, ya gotta hate LEO lovers as much as ya hate LEO!
    Give me back my peace officers!!!!!!
    Here's the rub...They have the right to kill you, if they want, but you do not have the right to defend..now that's real BS!!!!
     
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    Then cops need to start shooting 5 and 6 year olds because they are potentially dangerous, especially if they child takes a swing at them with a cabbage patch doll. Now that could put an eye out....sharp buttons, and it could be hiding a hair pin, or maybe loaded with lead weights and tacks....Gawd we are surrounded by killers by virtue of handicaps.......run to the hills screaming in terror, the cops will lead the way
    Trained professionals my azz! more like street punks with mental problems and too much testosterone
     
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    ok, you can split hairs as you do, but it changes nothing. LEO are unconstitutional and they do enforce Federal laws by arrest at the very least. They get Federal funding on a regular basis for a whole host of programs. They have their masters and it sure isn't us.
    It is sad that you cannot see history repeating itself from 1937 Germany. But if I recall my history correctly, many Germans didn't either, then. German law enforcement, SS and Gestapo, had a free hand when dealing with criminals that had been created via new laws.
    In Legalism there is never enough law. Legalists demand more law. Legalists demand a way to enforce it. They hire more Legalists
    Qin Dynasty: Legalism, Ancient China If anyone is actually curious, go find this out for yourselves. It's scarey to the real people. This is a nasty philosophy, but, oh, so familiar.
     
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    No I mean what I said and posted several examples of people getting attacked by someone using a pen as a weapon.

    Why are you dodging?

    You get up and you plunged, there is no evidence he was CONFINED to a wheelchair.

    Yes I wish you would get serious and not just present your assumptions as fact.

    So what would be the last resort if he plunged at the officer he had cornered?
     
  18. Bluesguy

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    ROFL, when did it have to be equal? I guess next time the police are trying to stop someone from committing a crime or from injuring or killing someone and that person doesn't have a gun they are suppose to give them one to make it "equal".................what utter nonsense you must resort to.
     
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    Yes go back and read the cites I already posted. I could certainly kill you with a pen or even a pencil. I could out your eye out of slash your face horribly.
     
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    I posted cites to several articles where a pen was used as a deadly weapon. Where did you get the idea the a sharp plastic object cannot be used to kill someone or seriously injure them. The sheer depths of deliberate ignorance and fallacious, ridiculous scenarios people will go to in order to defend perpetrators of criminal acts which are threatening other people no matter the scenario is pathetic.
     
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    That you have to resort to hyperbole rather than deal with reality is noted.
     
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    The bottom line is that if anyone shot a one armed, one legged man in a wheelchair while he was armed with a deadly sharpie, they would be sitting in jail. That really says it all. Giving someone a badge should not change that, but of course here in the land of "cops can do nearly anything" it does.
     
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    No, who called them to the scene to handle this man and why did they do so if he was not a threat to anyone?

    No, but if the person is brandishing a weapon or an object that can be used as one don't you agree they have the authority to use the force necessary to stop them from harming someone?

    Try "assessing" the situation when the guy is lunging at a trap person.

    So is that all you have left, hyperbole? Blood is even more difficult and they don't get new eyes or new lives if they lose either.
     
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    Not if the person was threatening someone with serious injury or death, they would be fully protected under the law. Why did you post such a lie?
     
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    They probably regret that decision. It's dangerous to call 911 these days.

    That's the entire point of this thread. Why was shooting a person "necessary force"? The man is in a wheel chair, a double amputee, and wielding a felt tip pen. Police officers are (supposed to be) trained to deal with far worse. If they can't deal with a man armed with a pen, likely unable to do much more than wave it at them, then they shouldn't be in the job. They don't have the fortitude for it.

    While no martial arts expert, I have had at least enough training to deal with a person lunging at me with a pen. I would think that an officer has the same ability, or he shouldn't be in the job.

    Neither does the man in the wheelchair. Perhaps they should think of that as well, rather than just of themselves. While we are mere mundanes, we are also human beings.
     

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