The 2020 Democratic Platform

Well - it means pretty much everything - what do you think will not be provided - that is currently provided by average Joe private insurance ?

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)60137-9/fulltext#article_upsell

 

Not sure what point you are trying to make here Squid. The number of organs available is limited. It is limited regardless of who is paying the bill.

 

Did you read your own link?

Section 107 says that once the four-year period is up, it "it shall be unlawful for — (1) a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits provided under this Act; or (2) an employer to provide benefits for an employee, former employee, or the dependents of an employee or former employee that duplicate the benefits provided under this Act."

But Section 201 details benefits the government plan would offer. The flip side is that this is a long list of benefits that private companies would be barred from covering: "(1) Hospital services, including inpatient and outpatient hospital care, including 24-hour-a-day emergency services and inpatient prescription drugs ; (2) Ambulatory patient services ; (3) Primary and preventive services, including chronic disease management ; (4) Prescription drugs, medical devices, biological products, including outpatient prescription drugs, medical devices, and biological products ; (5) Mental health and substance abuse treatment services, including inpatient care ; (6) Laboratory and diagnostic services ; (7) Comprehensive reproductive, maternity, and newborn care ; ( Pediatrics ; (9) Oral health, audiology, and vision services ; (10) Short-term rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices."

So what exactly could private health insurance cover?

 

You think the complete lives system applies only to organs?

We already have that system in place.
Was Emanuel appointed for nothing?

 

Don't see cancer on the list. Why on earth would anyone want to pay extra to cover what is already covered ?

 

So what if the system is already in place. What does that have to do with what is not covered ?

 

Everything you are allowed to get will be covered.
Can't argue there

 

What do you think is not covered ?

 

Fantasists who delude themselves into believing that they are appointed to propound political party platforms are always amusing.

Reality can be even funnier. Some gems from the 2016 Republican Party Platform:

We must impose firm caps on future debt, accelerate the repayment of the trillions we now owe in order to reaffirm our principles of responsible and limited government, and remove the burdens we are placing on future generations... The federal fiscal burden threatens the security, liberty, and independence of our nation.

We denounce bigotry, racism, anti-Semitism, ethnic prejudice, and religious intolerance. Therefore, we oppose discrimination based on race, sex, religion, creed, disability, or national origin and support statutes to end such discrimination.

Conservation is inherent in conservatism. As the pioneer of environmentalism a century ago, the Republican Party reaffirms the moral obligation to be good stewards of the God-given natural beauty and resources of our country.

Our party is the natural home for those who come in search of freedom and justice. We welcome all to the Great Opportunity Party... That is why we support building a wall along our southern border and protecting all ports of entry. The border wall must cover the entirety of the southern border and must be sufficient to stop both vehicular and pedestrian traffic. We insist upon workplace enforcement of verification systems...

Cronyism is inherent in the progressive vision of the administrative state. When government uses taxpayer funding and resources to give special advantages to private companies, it distorts the free market and erodes public trust in our political system...

Any honest agenda for improving healthcare must start with repeal of the dishonestly named Affordable Care Act of 2010... To that end, a Republican president, on the first day in office, will use legitimate waiver authority under the law to halt its advance and then, with the unanimous support of Congressional Republicans, will sign its repeal.

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If you don't get the jokes by reviewing what Republicans, in control of the Executive, Senate, and House, have actually perpetrated in two years, I can't explain them to you.

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OK.

As is common with the Medicare-for-all crowd, you really have not thought this through. But go ahead and run on it in 2020.

 

Don't cry in your popcorn bowl and build straw men because you asked for something that was not on the list and I gave it to you.

If you want to continue paying double what other first world nations pay for less - you are welcome to your choice - a choice made on the basis of ingestion of propaganda put out by the healthcare oligopolies rather than what is in your best interest. The math is not complicated.

The Conservative Case for Universal Healthcare
Why in five years, the American right will embrace socialized medicine.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-conservative-case-for-universal-healthcare/

 

Well I do love those, "the conservative case for fill in the blank" articles. Maybe I'll read it at some point. My point was that you argued that the bill doesn't destroy private insurance, but since my health plan, and virtually every working American's healthplan will be illegal under this plan, it's pretty clear that you were wrong, as your own link concluded.

So...since this is a thread about the 2020 Democratic Platform, I'm all for the Democrats including this. So see, I've found middle ground!

 

I argued that you could still have private insurance - that it was not completely outlawed as you erroneously claimed.

I did not argue what you are claiming - The private insurance system as we know it will be completely destroyed - and good thing too !

Why would you care that your current health plan would be illegal ? Are you seriously claiming to be upset that your new plan will cost less and still give you everything on your old plan ? Someone has been messing with your head if this is the case.

 

Donald Trump goes on the 2020 campaign Trail next month...

"Forget everything"

 

One would be funded by tax dollars which everyone would pay and your private insurance would be paid for by you. It's that way today with Medicare and a supplement.

If you have a chronic problem like diabetes or AIDS, what ruins you financially is medication. Medicare runs out pretty quickly because some of the costs are unbelievable.

 

If that particular version of Medicare for all is passed, the only thing I'm sure of is that my current health care plan would be illegal. I'm not so sure that a better, cheaper version from the government will replace it. The record on that is spotty.

 

If you would have read the link provided - you would see that the record is not too spotty at all. The question is whether or not our legislators can do something useful for a change. Now that is the spotty part.

My guess is that the Healthcare Oligopolies are far to powerful and have way too much influence for anything substantive to get done .. so don't worry - you will almost certainly get to keep your private insurance that costs double yet gives less than what the citizens in other first world nations have.

Don't hold your breath for too long though. The costs of our system are unsustainable - something has to break and will break. The Boomers are going into their high cost years and this is going to break the bank - not just via healthcare but also on the basis of SS which is now in the red and will go further in the red ever year.

Who is going to pay for this ? You and Me and our children .. that's who. Healthcare costs and taxes will have to go much higher to pay for this. We are already borrowing 1 Trillion/year as a nation .. its not like we can up this to 2 Trillion to offset higher taxes.

We are in a rising interest rate environment .. interest on the massive debt (and deficits keep pushing this debt higher) are eating up more and more of our disposable income. For 2 decades our payments were around 400-450 Billion/year. Now we are well over 500 billion/year and pushing higher rapidly. If ave interest on the 22 Trillion dollar debt were to go up by just 1% our interest payments would go up by 220 Billion.

Moral of the story - at the end of the day something has to give. We spent 3.5 Trillion on healthcare in 2017. On a per person basis the average first world nation is spending the equivalent of 2 Trillion at the high end ... and it is not like people in Germany and Norway do not have good healthcare. We are middle of the road on the basis of the link provided and other studies I have read.

That is 1.5 Trillion dollars being left on the table .. and to me this is just stupid.

 

So the answer to healthcare going into the red because of boomer retirements is more of the same: Medicare.

I'm unclear how Medicare-for-all will save the current Medicare which is already undergoing a fiscal crisis....aww I guess it doesn't really matter. As AOC says, you just pay for it.

 

I have not read the thread, but I don't need to. It refers to an imaginary document ( the exact opposite of 'real') that has not been written and does not exist outside the Op's partisan imagination. that's why there is no link to this platform. The Op is nothing put partisan Pablum predigested and spat out by RW pundits as propaganda.

 

How about this one in The Green New Deal?

Government security for those that are unwilling to work.

 

AOC was lipstick on a pig. None of the systemic issues leading to high costs were addressed.

If you are unclear - go to the link I gave you. Universal healthcare in "ALL" other first world nations is just over half the cost on average - on a per person basis - than what we are currently paying in the US = 3.5 Trillion in 2017.

This is not difficult math - the numbers are very straightforward. The problem is how will such a system be implemented in the US.

If I were King - I would just copy one of the better systems with improvements to the bureaucratic process. This is not going to happen. That would involve

1) getting rid of private insurers healthplans people have now (not mandating them out of existence and in fact it is preferable to keep them) but - immediately taking what people pay now and have it go to the Gov't rather than the insurance company. Harsh - YUP ... is this going to happen - highly doubtful.

After a year one the payment amounts would be lowered and standardized.

2) Most Private for Profit Hospitals would be taken over by Gov't - enough to ensure coverage. Private Hospitals could still exist - and provide services (most of which would be paid at the standard rate of the Gov't hospitals) - specialized hospitals for cancer and stuff could also exist. The more offloading from the Gov't system the better.

3) Drug prices would come down and the Oligopolistic practices reigned in.

OK ... this gets us to par with the other first world systems (hopefully with a more efficient bureaucratic process)

If we want to push the bar further .. we start addressing anti competitive practices within the medical college = increase the # of students we put through medical school - same with nurses to combat wage inflation.

Obviously the above is not going to happen.

In 2017 - Total Federal Spending was 4 Trillion dollars ( deficit was 650 Billion) Total spending on Healthcare was 3.5 Trillion - this is obscene.

 

This one has no link either.
You either can produce a link to the democratic platform for 2020, or you cannot. Considering it has yet to be written, because there are no delegates to write the planks, let alone debate and pass them , and no convention to adopt a platform, your entire thread is based on another one of your lies. You really must need our attention pretty bad. Get some counseling.

 

That would be my guess as well.

 

No, just repeating what one of the right wing disc jockeys made up.