The actual planning of the Pentagon attack from a truther's POV...

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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    No it's called reality and exists in your world as well no matter how much you want to deny it, this is historical fact. The Declaration of Independence was not "troofer fallback" (whatever that's supposed to be), it described the reality of the time, repeated over and over again throughout history and even admitted to by other governments:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels

    "A lie told often enough becomes the truth." - Vladimir Lenin
     
  2. wist43

    wist43 Well-Known Member

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    Your highly insightful response reminds me of the scene in Shawshank Redemption when Andy says to the warden...

    ... how can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?
     
  3. Shinebox

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    just like Bob ... if you have nothing, use quotes to make yourself sound intelligent ... yet more troofer tactics ... :applause:
     
  4. Scott

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    I'm talking about this on another thread but since it's being addressed here, I'll talk about it here too.


    Here's some stuff about witnesses who say a plane flew over the Pentagon after the explosion.

    Everybody start listening here at the 5:25 time mark.

    National Security Alert - Part 7/9 - Sensitive Information



    Listen here from the 57:50 time mark to the 58:48 time mark.

    The North Side Flyover - Officially Documented, Independently Confirmed Part 2



    Then go back and start listening at the 41:50 time mark to get the whole context. The above is the important part where he explains the direction of the plane he'd seen. He was on the other side of the Pentagon. He says the plane came from the impact zone.


    The above is the important part. To see the rest, start watching here at the 5:10 time mark and continue into part 7 which is above.

    National Security Alert - Part 6/9 - Sensitive Information



    I know this is mere testimony but it shouldn't simply be ignored. Let's hear everybody's analyses of this.
     
  5. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    You just admitted in the other thread that Roosevelt Roberts NEVER actually said this. What games are you playing?
     
  6. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Just like Shiner if you have nothing invoke the idiotic and immature "troofer" term to make yourself sound intelligent.
     
  7. Scott

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    You're trying to confuse the viewers who don't read the debate on all the threads. Here it is so that everyone can see it.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-pentagon-on-9-11.482175/page-98#post-1070037494

    In post #29 I'm referring to what Erik Dihle said at the 2:25 time mark. I see that I made a mistake in that post. I said to start listening at the 5:25 time mark instead of the 2:25 time mark - too much coffee again.
     
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    LOLOL

    There are no viewers.
     
  9. Shinebox

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    switch to decaf Scott ... let's eliminate at least 1 reason you are so FOS ...
     
  10. Scott

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    Let's hear your analysis of this evidence that a plane flew over the Pentagon after the explosion.
     
  11. wist43

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    I have a simple solution to the eyewitness accounts...

    Why doesn't the government simply release the 86 video recordings they confiscated on 9/11??

    Any of you OCT advocates have a valid reason why they shouldn't be released??
     
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    If there's reason not too most likely it's a McCarthyism jihad.
     
  13. wist43

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    Come on guys... I'd really like to hear y'all defend the OCT in conjunction with not releasing the video and photo evidence that we know they have.

    What's the point of hiding it??

    And given that they are obviously, admittedly, hiding evidence that could put all the debate to rest once and for all, why do you still believe them in the face of their refusal to prove their version of events is true??

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    Logically, it seems more obsurd to believe a known liar in the absence of proof, than it does to conclude that said liar is lying when they brazenly refuse to provide the proof they say they have.

    You really have to be a willing dupe to go along with the Official Version.
     
  14. Shinebox

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    the many videos in question have been thoroughly discussed numerous time in the "Pentagon on 9/11" thread ... it would be rather tedious to start again in this thread ... also, you could watch Chapter 11 of the Wayne Coste Pentagon videos which details info about the cameras, capabilities and their positioning ...
     
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  15. Bob0627

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    None of that addresses the point. Why are you terrified of having ALL those videos publicly available? If there's nothing to hide why hide everything? Anyone who really cares about 9/11 would want every single detail made available rather than defend the secrecy. Wayne Coste does no such thing.

     
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    why are you afraid of real evidence? ..
     
  17. Adam Fitzgerald

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    That is false. The 85 security cameras weren't all from the Pentagon, nor were they even from the same city. These were security cameras from NYC, Washington DC which were collected by the FBI in hopes of gathering information from them. Most of them, except 2, showed the attacks of 9/11. They were all releaased to the public under the "Maguire Declaration" (shown below). The FOIA request which was ordered by Scott Hodes (representing Scott Bingham) wished fof the FBI to release all videos collectd by the FBI in the PENTTBOM investigation (which is also the largest investigation in human history).

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/A_2006_doubletreeaffadavit.pdf
     
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    this will al be discounted by the troofer community although the Citgo and Doubletree videos were shown in the Wayne Coste vid series ... chapter 12 ... (which the troofers refuse to either watch or comment on) ...
     
  19. Bob0627

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    So where are they then? What you've linked to is a piece of paper, no videos.

    All we have from the "largest investigation in human history" is an egregious lie from the FBI to Congress and the 9/11 Commission when they claimed they gave them everything from the PENTTBOM investigation. They were caught a decade+ hiding over 80,000 pages of documents that the public has no access to to this day. Why should we take the FBI's word for the alleged videos (or anything for that matter)? Furthermore a major portion of the official 9/11 story is currently under grand jury investigation because it's based on wholesale lies documented by mountains of evidence. What reason should anyone have to trust any part of the US government to have told us anything true about 9/11, given the proven lies, deliberate destruction of evidence and the reams of documents classified to this day under pretext of national security?
     
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    1. There are videos online. The Doubletree Hotel and CITGO Gas Station films are readily available.
    2. I will admit that there is much missing regarding the 9/11 investigation. However regarding certain aspects of what happened on 9/11. i.e. Pentagon attack, are factual.

    If you are in disagreement about the pentagon attack regarding a plane crashing into the building, you will have a very hard time trying to assert your position that wont fall apart effortlessly.
     
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    Nonsense... there's nothing on those videos.

    There's no way a plane hit the Pentagon.
     
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    There's nothing on any of them apart from the 4 released.

    Off topic. This isn't yet another thread for deniers to deny with nothing but air from their backsides, it is to explain how it was done with a coherent story.

    There's no way a plane didn't hit. See superb post by Adam in the other thread:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-pentagon-on-9-11.482175/page-100#post-1070047669
     
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    There is nothing on them, that's why they haven't been released.

    Circular logic and not a very intelligent claim. It is one of the most simplest things in the world for them to release footage from any of those cameras after removing anything incriminating, were it necessary.

    Explain what games are being played. It seems that any direct question and/or evidence is being are waved away. There lies the game being played. If any of you deniers had a case, you would be able to explain the evidence without making utterly ludicrous claims that don't stand up to any scrutiny.
     
  24. Bob0627

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    I haven't seen anything and you haven't linked to anything. All videos must include a verifiable chain of custody and certifiable authenticity. I'm not buying for one nanosecond that the only videos the FBI has are about 5 frames that show nothing.

    It's not just about what's missing, it's also about criminal coverups, deliberate destruction of evidence and phony investigations designed to support and promote a predesigned story and outright lies. If you've been doing the research since 2006 as you claim you should know this. You want to tell me in your 12+ years of researching both sides you've concluded that the US government 9/11 story (not just the Pentagon) is mostly correct?

    How would you know? Based on the above facts and your own belief about "much missing" why would you trust any part of the official story? There's no question the Pentagon was attacked, that's not arguable. Everything else official is.

    My position is exactly what I stated (see 2nd paragraph), I trust nothing that comes from the US government. Everything they claim about 9/11 is suspect. And that's based on my own research that I've been doing since 2004. If you feel that's a difficult position to maintain and can fall apart effortlessly good luck on trying. Whether a large plane crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11 or not is far from the only issue with respect to the Pentagon. The Wayne Coste videos create a very plausible/logical argument in support of a large plane crash but it's not proof and does not settle the many controversies of the official Pentagon story. That is clear from the first video.
     
  25. Adam Fitzgerald

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    Over 120 people vehemently disagree with you sir. 87 actually were close enough to see the American Airlines logo on the side of the aircraft.

    I will provide for you a full listing to read over.

    https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/F77pentagon.pdf
     

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