The bible is not the Word of God

Yet, God chose to reveal Himself analogously. The potter and the clay resonated as well then as the author and the character does now. Back then, few people could read, and few of them had any concept of a novel or a novel character.

 

No, but they could hear, and being illiterate didn't stop books from being written anyway.

 

I doubt that. It is written by flawed humans with an agenda with borrowed tales and myths from other civilizations.

Except for the words that Christ spoke as he was revealing Truth in his teachings . Since Christ was human flesh that was the vessel that God used to live and interact with man within his creation the words spoken by human vocal chords were coming from God.

The words coming through the man Christ were directly from the Creator.

One would think these words directly from god would be the core and center piece of Christianity and yet that isnt the case at all. Most of Christian teachings are not from christ but from a self appointed apostle called Paul who never met christ.. Yet much of the NT is from Paul. As is quite a bit of theology.

Christ said all that needed to be said to man. He didnt need the words of Paul or any other man. To think so is to say God had shortcomings and needed man to complete the teachings of the good news. Indeed one should be suspect and wary of men who added to the words of god through Christ.

You get a different religion if your beliefs if based upon the words of Christ . And probably the correct belief system as opposed to Pauline Christianity .

 

if you believe he created the universe, how hard is it for you to believe he got his words into a book ?

 

You can read the bible as many times as you like, but to a non believer it's just word salad, it doesn't make sense.

Read the Daniel 13 in the catechism ( it's not in the protestant bible) the story about susanna







Now read John 8:1~8:11


Both in the catechism and protestant bible

 

Susanna is a cool detective story.

 

I'm familiar with this excuse. Sorry, but nothing I've said about the Bible is incorrect. If you see something that is, address it directly. If the God of the Bible exists, then be has done things like outlaw freedom of religion and order mass infanticide. To deny this is simply dishonest.

Also, you are contradicting yourself. You claim I can't understand the Bible even if I read it . . . Then you tell me to read it. Which is it?

 

We are Christians now in the New testament, Christian means followers of christ..


The Jews don't recognize the New testament

 

I believe that He did. I believe that the Word of God is implied in the bible, but what is implied is not necessarily what is inferred. I believe that the Word of God is tested; that is to say that to us, the Word of God is the product of testing the ideas that we infer from the bible.

 

But Christians do recognize the Old Testament. And it isn't like the New doesn't have some nasty stuff in it either. But you are again resorting to what I call the "But God only used to be evil" argument. It still doesn't address the fact that, according to your book, they guy you are telling me is the supreme moral authority in the universe has been perfectly okay with the occasional murder of innocent people.

 

Wrong if they follow Jesus as I pointed out today in another thread - read Mathew 5:18.

 

The word of God changes to meet the demands of society as we can see from the churches flying gay flags. Can you or anyone else produce a Bible that not a copy of a copy of a copy..........

What was the criteria for producing the first Biblical Canon? Why did it take until the 5th century to determine the word of God?

 

But Jesus, the Jew, followed the OT and used it often when speaking with his people - all Jews. He believed in the OT. He had been taught it from the age of 5 - through to 13. He was a good, intelligent student, proved in the Temple at 12 years of age. Apart from a few additions by the Gospel writes decades later, everything he did was in accordance with Judaism - though not the Judaism preached by the religious hierarchy of the day, His baptism, supposed temptation were in line with Jewish belief. Many of his parables were taken from the OT using Jahweh's relationship with Israel. The Vine, the Shepherd etc are taken from the OT. Jesus was a Jewish preacher/evangelist concerned with Israel returning to Jahweh. Nothing more.

The Jews don't recognise the NT because of Christianities interpretation of Jesus. Matthew has misinterpreted many OT prophesies/scriptures in his nativity stories and ascribed them to Jesus when clearly they refer to other thiings when taken in context. If Jesus went to Egypt then he must have committed the sins found in the rest of the context. Hosea 11: By taking one verse out of context you invalidate the whole Bible.

 

If there was a God why would he give all bodies "souls"? Such bodies might be the equivalent of androids whose actions and sufferings are meant to see what people with "souls" will do in response.

 

Except for the Fundamentalist Evangelical and Pentecostal.

 

The Word of God is necessarily what it is; it has no potential to change. The Word of God is implied in the bible. It is necessarily what it is, but that is not necessarily what we infer. The Word of God is implied in the bible. The Word of God is Truth. Truth is an implication; proof is an inference. It is the product of testing the inferences we take from the bible.

To us, the Word of God is tested; it is the product of testing the inferences one takes from the bible.

 

Good is what God is; evil is what God is not. God reveals both good and evil because anything, even God, is revealed just as much by what it not as it is by what it is.

Hell will be full of people who hate God. They were created for that purpose. They made their choice, and so did I, but none of us chooses from undetermined possibilities.

Every character in every novel I ever read believed that they were choosing from undetermined possibilities. Choice is not evidence of chance. Our inability to know what all of our choices will be does not prove that we choose from undetermined possibilities. Ignorance is not evidence of chance.

Pride is an ignorance. It is a very specific ignorance. Pride is ignorance of one's own subjectivity.

 

Claiming that infanticide as punishment for the crimes of distant ancestors is "good" is ignorance. Claiming it is "good" to kill people for speaking ill of your God is ignorance. It is a very specific ignorance. It is ignorance of one's own willingness to enslave reason and compassion to cultish dogma.

 

Don't stop at verse 11. Following on, Jesus claims he is right because of the testimony of two people (as per their law). One person was himself. The other person whose testimony he claimed was Jesus' father!!

Nice logic! Maybe he should have included the Holy Spirit, too - a legal trifecta!


It's perfectly reasonable to learn about a religion without actually joining up.

 

I couldn't agree more. Your point seems to be quite the non-sequitur, but it stands all on its own none the less. Good point. Feel free to just throw those in any time.

 

It is only a non-sequitur if the Bible is off-topic. The Bible says God has commanded all of those things at some point. Did you intend for the Bible to be off-topic in this thread?

 

God reveals both good and evil. He reveals both what He is and what He is not because anything, even God, is revealed just as much by what it is not as it is by what it is.

 

And how does that explain things like him personally ordering slavery and the murder of children, or outlawing freedom of religion?

 

God is the author of creation. He is infinitely more sovereign over His creation than an author is over his novel work.
We are infinitely more subject to God than a novel character is subject to an author.
God reveals both good and evil because God's purpose for God's creation is the revelation of God to His creatures,
and anything, even God, is revealed just as much by what it is not as it is by what it is. God reveals both what He is (GOOD) and what he is not (EVIL).

If all we knew was good, we could not discern the differences between God's good and our good. If all we knew was good, we would be left to believe that we are as good as God. Pride is an ignorance. Pride is a very specific ignorance. pride is ignorance of one's own subjectivity. Pride is the problem that necessitated sin. Sin was not the beginning of our problems; it was the beginning of the solution.

So, how can a God who can only create what is good and do what is good also reveal evil? the solution was genius.
God gave man a law to beak, so that when he broke it, when he sinned, his eyes would be opened, and we would know both good and evil. God introduced evil into the world via man's sin. Sin is the cure that kills you.

God can, and did, take upon Himself our penalty for our sin. Unfortunately, He did it after the death penalty was carried out on everyone ever conceived by a man and a woman. That's why we need to be born again. But one of the things that God cannot do is to take upon Himself our ignorance of our subjectivity to Him.

 

There is no God. The whole thing is just a con game.

'We're victims': Museum of the Bible's Dead Sea Scrolls are fake
(WASHINGTON EXAMINER) A group of independent researchers determined that the Museum of the Bible’s 16 supposed fragments of the Dead Sea Scrolls are forgeries.

Museum of the Bible CEO Harry Hargrave announced the findings on Friday along with lead investigator Colette Loll, according to National Geographic. The faux fragments, purportedly of ancient religious texts, such as the oldest known copies of the Hebrew Bible, deceived a number of collectors and biblical scholars.
https://www.wnd.com/2020/03/victims-museum-bibles-dead-sea-scrolls-fake/