The Church Killed God

It's no secret, a believer knows that dead people don't come back, and that virgins can't have babies; They know it because we know it to be true; however, they'd go around believing in a virgin birth and a resurrection and be unapologetic and use it as a stick to beat on un married, homosexual couples and others.
Their church is a tool of the devil teaching lies that go against nature; such as life after death, virgin birth and chastity.

Until they can apologise for sinning against nature and what we know to be true, they are unapologetic now, aren't they.. They sin against God and the natural order, and I've not heard one follower say sorry for this; their church killed God and they're unapologetic, that's all you have to know about the Church.

Even in the literal sense, Roman Soldiers killed Jesus and those people (the Romans) actually went on to become the Vatican; from Roman Emperor to Holy Pope it went, so it was the Pope's people who killed Jesus if any people should be blamed for killing Jesus, if we want to be pedantic, but broadly speaking, the church killed God, and has yet to say sorry.

 

The only nonsense is you calling this nonsense, and then being perverse enough to elude that Jesus touched me; now accept that your church is killing God and be less of a creep about it.

Life is far too short to be tolerating organised religion to be honest. Let our people go!

 

Churches are tools of the devil? I won't say "nonsense" again, but you are a believer who doesn't like the rules of some religions because they promote "sin", so they are all evil?
My, most of what is considered sin is subjective. Is it a sin to have an abortion or is it a sin to force a woman to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want? At one time forcing indigenous people's children to be Christian was God's work and beating your wife for misbehavior was the right thing to do. Religion usually reflected societies mores and usually conservative mores, but some, like abolitionists, were ground breakers. Religion has been with Homo Sapiens Sapiens as far back as can be recorded and it seems an innate need owing to it's persistence.
So quit fighting it and start your own religion without the mumbo jumbo and rules you like.

 

Yup!

Don't trust the Bible at all, at all.

The Bible even says the Devil is the father of all lies, so therefore, God is the father of all lies.

Those who accept virgin birth and resurrection after death have to be judged in the hope of being shown the error of their ways and get the message.
In the Bible, it was the Devil who showed Eve the apple, not God, God wanted to hide it, so what's so wrong with knowledge, unless you're a demon who wishes to keep people in the dark, telling things you know to be false (life after death, virgin birth) and insisting someone submit despite what we know to be truth.

Don't listen to anyone who's not willing to renounce The Bible, because they're lost and want to control your mortal life. They will even judge someone privately for not believing, and so you cannot show leniency, you must make them repent the error of their ways.

To be honest, they killed God, and won't even repent, so we must judge them for their views of us.

They sin against nature and tell you to forego what you know to be true, to believe in their anti-life, anti-nature, sins against the natural law of things that no one can escape.

 

We should have a new dawn, where Christians no longer judge, but are judged.

They killed God with their religion and they're unrepentant; so it's a must that we judge them, from this turning point in history, no longer shall we let a Christian get away with judging, because we know in our hearts, they are wrong to even think negative of our lives and our businesses.

 

It sounds like you have a very fervent and unique philosophy and vision of a god. Good luck with that.

 

That is the meaning of anarchy....."without rulers".
Anarchy was first used in 1539, meaning "an absence of government"

 

Why do you say we?
Are you more than one?

 

...You want him to start yet another religion?
Religions haven't actually helped much....humanity still destroying everything including itself.

 

Christians do not judge. They're accepting God's Word because they know their limits as human beings.

If you judge others, wouldn't that make you equal to God Who is the ultimate Judge?

H U B R I S​

Take that you fools of misery.
For we are gods of lofty see,

and unlike you - such lowly fools
who follow banal moral rules.

We make our own, it is our right.
And why we reign in our great height;

and not on earth, but in our stead
of hubris and of bloated head - Jeannette

​

 

Is your above statement not a judgement.....I'm guessing you must be a Christian

 

How can following God's Word be judging? To be a Christian is to accept and know one's own limitations in regard to God. To judge another denotes pride, and that would be the antithesis of Christianity since humility is a perquisite.

 

I suspect he will be it's only member.
We are well on the way of snuffing out many species, maybe including Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

It sounds like she doesn't know any Christians.

 

just a reminder....that took about 3 centuries or so to happen (the Western barbarian thing).

 

You need to read the fairy tale. The God character wrote the first set and Moses immediately tossed them on the ground and broke them. Then the God character told Moses to chip out a new set of stone tablets and that he would do it again (Exodus 34:1.) Moses chipped out a new set of stone tablets and lugged them up the mountain. God doesn't do manual labor! So, Moses hikes up the mountain lugging the heavy stone tablets and God gives him the Ten Commandments (Exodus 34:11-26). God tells Moses to do the writing (Exodus 34:27).

Maybe Moses was God? He was crazy enough.

 

All the things you're saying are true, but anachronistic, I think, w/ regard to Constantine & the Council of Nicea. It would be very interesting, if you could supply a reference for the idea that Constantine had designs upon exploiting the Christian Faith, this way. But, though I am no scholar of the period, @it's just me seems to have her facts in accord w/ my understanding of the history of Constantine making Christianity Rome's first official religion after he reputedly received, or believed he rec'd, aid in battle, when fighting under the symbol of the Cross, as his standard.

All the church intrigues did come, but they were internal church politics, power struggles over orthodoxy. This, actually, would seem a more applicable place to begin this thread's subject, looking at those groups (like the Donatists) who were exterminated for having variant Christian beliefs. This played out again & again, with Gnostics, Cathars, etc., up to its crescendo in the Catholic-Protestant Wars of the Schism, though, this profuse spilling of blood turned out to be a conflict really, just between different, Institutional forms of Christianity. They seem about as pointless as modern Sunni- Shi'ite rivalries, in Islam. Oh yeah, I didn't even mention that cutting, off the Christian tree, which eventually grew into a hazardously-encircling vine.

An angle I would take, considering your earlier remarks about spirituality versus dogma (or however you put it), would be the war of, "Institutionalists," to gain control of the Church's power structure, which they then used in the ways you mentioned, to enshrine their own, personal power, but at the price of authoritarian exploitation of the masses. It is, in some ways, an analog to the model of the royal lines, to which you also refer.

But, to really get to the root of the shift from early, spiritual communities of Christians, to the rigid, hierarchical Catholic Church of the Middle Ages, I think one should start with the way, in fostering these communities, doctrine began transforming, through the letters of Paul.


P.S.-- A really fascinating book that goes into the machinations of church politics, is an impressively in-depth look at the case of a priest, who was in the last ranks of those burned for witchcraft: Aldous Huxley's The Devils of Loudun.

 

Apparently, a Divine Trinity, a baptism, a Eucharist, & a Confession-- which is where the big Medieval money was at, in selling, "indulgences," (either after-sinning, or beforehand, like a presidential, pre-emptive pardon)-- for starters. Don't get me wrong-- I have nothing against symbolic ritual. It is the focus on Original Sin & the idea that the world, the flesh, and our very nature is evil, & corrupt, that I feel is a potentially unbeneficial, even harmful, philosophy.

 

So it's a matter of purporting something to be God's will-- like Columbus, enslaving New World Island natives, to bring them the saving Word of God-- as a holy pretext for doing that which one wants, and which may coincidentally be to one's benefit. Hypocrisy may be the most repulsive of human attributes, and organized religion, unfortunately, often serves as that blade's most effective whetstone.

This is not to say that churches do not also lead people to give humanitarian service; only that figuring the overall ledger, on a given religion (this thread seems to be fixated on the Catholics) can be a complex calculation. It is also a shame that the mere fact that we are all humans, for so many, is insufficient, in itself, to bring out this inner goodness.

 

Nobody can say for certain...we weren't there. But there's no reason to believe that the rulers in those days
(like those in power today) were not using religion to their advantage. Nowadays politicians tell the masses of church people
whatever they want to hear just to get votes. In the time period you are discussing, the politicians may well have convinced
the religious folks that the government was doing the will of God. I haven't seen any proof here
that a government did not use religion as a means of control...but it is probable that they did

 

Not according to these Christians....

While abortion doctors were being killed, pro-lifers prayed in support of the attackers
Photos of anti-abortion protests in the 1990s show what intolerance and religious fervor look like

 

Actually, I'm very well read in the Bible and other scriptures of this account. To elaborate on this, the first time Moses came down, he had the "higher" law of Christ with him. But, he saw that the children of Israel were not ready and had to be prepared over many of centuries. So, he broke the higher law and God gave him the "lesser" law with the lesser Priesthood as well. The Greater Priesthood was given in NT times, the Priesthood after the Order of Melchizedek. How Moses obtained the plates of stone isn't important in this account. Whether written by the finger of God or God gave Moses the laws and commandments to write down. Has no bearing. And, how do you know Moses was crazy? You don't believe he existed. So, do you see how nuts you sound saying that? Quite mixed up.

 

That is not what the Bible says. Check out 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 =
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+thessalonians+2:14-16&version=CEB;ERV;TLB;NKJV;NLT

BTW, the Jews say in the Babylonian Talmud that they killed the Jesus character using 5 methods of execution. They really wanted him dead.

 

Get real, The Moses character is written as a crazy homicidal maniac con man. He wrote the book on how to be a crime boss of an extortion racket.

 

BTW, all of the biblical stories are based on the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 34:11-26. The miracles are based on Exodus 34:10. You might want to read your favorite ancient ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale sometime.

 

fanaticism is killing the church, the mosque, ect....

Christians denying cakes and wedding receptions
Muslims denying blind people because of their guide dogs

the list goes on, these things just do not make them look "good", and the younger generations is saying enough is enough