The Correct Amount of Illegal Immigration?

Politicians aren't letting them in.
The law is letting them in. The law is letting employers hire them. Actually, it's not enforcing the law that is letting them in.

My statement refers to the fact, that neither party cares that the law isn't being enforced. That doesn't equate to politicians letting them in. IMO, it points to the fact each party knows the USA economy is reliant on them and the laws to address bad immigration policy is the problem.

But you have part of it right. Employers who hire illegal immigrants are just a guilty of breaking the law as those who come looking for work.

 

I see. If Xoe Biden is not a politician, what is it?

"The law" is inanimate. It does not act. It is incapable of acting.

Show me the law that says employers may hire unlawfully present persons. I'll wait.

Ah! And WHO enforces the law? Couldn't be politicians could it?

Here we agree. And the genesis of this thread.

How could it equate to anything but that. If politicians refuse, for example, to enforce laws against shoplifting, who is letting the criminals shoplift?

Fallacy. There is no evidence that the economy relies on people working illegally.

We have agreed on this point more than once. However, the current administration has literally rolled out the red carpet for the record numbers of unlawful border crossers who have appeared on its watch. Not only is the admin not enforcing the numerous laws regarding immigration, it is actively encouraging and facilitating the lawlessness we are seeing on the border.

 

When has a sitting politician ever made an arrest?

 

Now you're just being pedantic. LE works under policies. Policies established by whom? Let's do a little word diagram, shall we?

Politician → Policy → Police

Police enforce the Policy made by Politicians.

Come on man! Stop your silly games.

Noted you did not comment on the Xiden administration flying the illegals around the country in the middle of the night in unmarked planes...

Not only is the admin not enforcing the numerous laws regarding immigration, it is actively encouraging and facilitating the lawlessness we are seeing on the border.​

 

The policy and law is there to fine and/or arrest companies who hire illegal immigrants.

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Employers Must

• Verify the identity and employment authorization of each person hired after Nov. 6, 1986. For employment in the Commonwealth of the Mariana Islands (CNMI), this verification requirement applies to persons hired after Nov. 27, 2009.
• Complete and retain Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification, for each employee who is required to complete the form.

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Employers who violate the law may be subject to:

• Civil fines and/or Criminal penalties (when there is a pattern or practice of violations). For more information on the current amounts please refer to the Civil Monetary Penalties Inflation Adjustment for 2019. (PDF)
• Debarment from government contracts
• A court order requiring the payment of back pay to the individual discriminated against
• A court order requiring the employer to hire the individual discriminated against

https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/legal-requirements-and-enforcement/penalties

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Come on man. Know wtf you post about Don't just post to whine about Biden. But we all know that is your only intent.

 

Moving the goalposts. I was replying to your stupid comment about politicians personally arresting citizens.

Fallacy, argumentum ad hominem. I am not the topic of this thread. A factual rebuttal addressing the topic would better support yoir argument.

 

"The law is letting them in."
Who wrote said law? Certainly not a politician right?
So my previous statement states the truth according to what you posted.

 

The correct amount is NONE

Illegal Immigration

CRISES BY DESIGN: Illegal Immigration ‘Surge’ Will Put ‘Downward Pressure’ On Wages For Years, CBO Says.

'The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that the ongoing surge in immigration, both legal and illegal, will put “downward pressure” on inflation-adjusted wages through 2034, according to a recently released report.'

'The downward effect on real wages will continue until 2027, at which point it will “partially reverse,” with immigration still expected to cause average real wages to be lower in 2034 than they otherwise would be, according to CBO. CBO did predict some positive impacts of immigration, as well, such as increased GDP growth and an expanded labor force.'

(RELATED: Blue State Doled Out Over $330 Million From COVID Funds To Illegal Immigrants)

'The surge in new workers is expected to reduce the amount of available capital, resources like factories or machinery, per worker, as well as work in low paying areas of the economy, both of which will exert a downward pressure on wages, according to CBO. The impact of these variables will decline over time as CBO expects additional capital to be built and workers to gain more skills.'

Jared Bernstein, member of Bribed Joe's Council of Economic Advisors: “One thing we learned in the 1990s was that a surefire way to reconnect the fortunes of working people at all skill levels, immigrant and native-born alike, to the growing economy is to let the job market tighten up. A tight job market pressures employers to boost wage offers to get and keep the workers they need. One equally surefire way to sort-circuit this useful dynamic is to turn on the immigrant spigot every time some group’s wages go up.”

 

The correct amount of illegal immigration is 0. The only legitimate discussion is the correct amount of legal immigration through ports of entry. Plus legitimate asylum seekers at our embassies or legal points of entry. Period.

 

Tell that to congress. They won't address the problem.
Even the R senators, who crafted legislation, couldn't actually pull the trigger on immigration.

 

Congress addressed the problem.

HR 2

 

There is no problem not Biden’s enforcing . Congress already passed enough laws. That we have a Manchurian candidate become president and betray his own people by not enforcing laws already on the books is the issue here.

 

And yet, no president in history has shut down the border based on USA and international laws.

But somehow you think Biden has a new magical wand.
The R Senate crafted better border legislation and then threw it in the trash.

Because trump didn't want border control.

 

Correct amount of illegal immigration?

I don't need to read 5 pages of opinion. The answer is NONE.

We need to screen people before they are allowed into the country. We don't need any more criminals and terrorists. They can stay were they are. That was the way is was when this country was "greeting the huddled masses." It was not doing any such thing. If you were no damn good, you stood a good chance of getting kicked out the country.