The Difference Between Obama and Trump.

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  1. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump blames terrible 4th of July speech on his teleprompter
    As he was leaving the White House, Trump said, “The teleprompter went out, it went kaput. So I could have said — and actually right in the middle of a sentence, it went out. That’s not a good feeling when you’re standing in front of millions and millions of people on television
     
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    Right up until it's over turned.
     
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    It can’t be overturned. Only an amendment can get rid of birthright citizenship. This is basic 6th grade civics.
     
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    Well, this is easy:

    Trump: Best President we have had since Reagan.
    Obama: Worst President in the history of the United States.

    Obama and his corrupt Administration have more scandals than any other president since Bill and Hillary Clinton. Amazing how the American people and the Deep State have kept him and many of his Administrators out of prison. Obama and Clinton are above the law.
     
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    The left has always preferred style over substance.
     
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    Van Buren created a coalition of Southern Democrat Plantation owners and Northern Democrats. Progressive Chicago honors Stephen Douglas ,,, a well known white Supremacist. Here's Stephen

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    There are progressive Democrats, questioning the ability of blacks to take care of themselves after they are free ,,, like White Democrats are somehow superior.
     
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    He often doesn't use one so I'm sure he would have been fine without one, but felt that he needed it because it was a special occasion and he was on television. Perfectly reasonable.

    I don't have public speaking issues, so I am often annoyed by people who need to rely on a teleprompter. If you already know what you would like to say, just say it.

    Then again, I've never spoken in front of millions of people before.
     
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    Nothing in your post is true
     
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    Plyer was a court decision, and court decisions can always be overturned.
     
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    Plyler is a Supreme Court decision. It can’t be overturned as no lower court can take up the same issue, as its binding precedent. Only an amendment can get rid of birthright citizenship.

    magazine, this is basic civics.
     
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    Management styles do not correlate to intelligence. You are trying to draw conclusions because you don't agree with Trumps management style.

    Obama was more concerned about his image and popularity contest. He was a politician, and you are it up.

    Trump is from the corporate world where image means nothing. Results do. Trump doesn't care if you or Ukraine or anybody else likes what he says or how he says it, and that burns you.

    Some of the best bosses I have had, and some of the most successful CEOs don't have the time or the interest to sugar coat things to protect people's emotions... they say and do what is required as its necessary.
     
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    I've heard him speak. No, he does not consistently act like an adult.
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and probably people do not rely upon your being absolutely accurate. Btw, Obama did lots of interviews and press briefings without teleprompter. And i can provide several videoclips with trump and a teleprompter.... so what is our issue here?
     
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    Oh the irony.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look, a lot of people said that about Obama too and even Bill Clinton. So it is your opinion as it was our opinion over those two democrats.
     
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    Most of my public speaking experience relates to work so I think someone cares about me being accurate.

    Besides that I don't believe there is no issue. I responded by stating, in my opinion, I think teleprompters generally help people with public speaking issues. More often than not, I think they are helpful in the right circumstances; however, I also believe it is a disservice if one needs to rely on a teleprompter.

    You brought up some instances of Obama conducting interviews and press briefings without a teleprompter, which I think is great. However, in my opinion, I don't think he's as good as Trump is without a teleprompter. There is nothing wrong with that. Trump is an entertainer; he should be comfortable speaking in front of people.

    Case in point, there was a time when Obama hosted a St. Patrick's Day party at the White House for Irish Prime minister Brian Cowen and Obama used a teleprompter to accidentally read Cowen's speech, which resulted in Obama thanking himself for his own St. Patrick's Day party.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/18/barack-obama-irish-prime-minister-teleprompter

    I personally don't understand why one would need closing remarks to close out their own celebration (or to thank someone for a party) on a teleprompter. This is the type of stuff that a fool like Trump would do, ON PURPOSE, with no assistance necessary.

    Long story, short: I don't think Trump really needs a teleprompter; Obama clearly does.
     
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    What does Plyler v Doe have to do with birthright law?
     
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    yes, as would pretty much all corporate boards. Btw, trump did not answer to a board of directors... so he is not exactly thr best example of corporate management styl
    image means nothing in the corporate world? BS
    he is very solicitous of putin and kim for some reason
    You reported to a corporate ceo? Wow that is impressive. How large was the corporation?

    and yes, bosses do not sugar coat things to direct reports, otoh they have a different approach to stock holders, stock analysts, reporters, and public speeches
     
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    We were discussing the meaning of “subject to the jurisdiction of” in the 14th. It simply means physical presence inside our borders, as the court ruled in plyler v doe
     
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    Your example is funding, I don't see the relevance of using it as example?
     
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    I see what is wrong above. The term terrible speech as the title. Apparently the speech was good and was the first delivered in the past 100 years at the National Mall on that day.
     
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    Democrats on the Supreme court did rule that Tx and of course then all states must pay for the education of illegal immigrants children. A sad day in history of america.
     
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    I shall not post them over and over today, but have at times posted an entire ration of blunders when Obama had Teleprompter failure. He simply fell apart. Could not recall his own speech wording.

    Actually had they actually been Obama's own words, he ought to have remembered them, at least some of them.
     
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    As I stated, the court clarified what “subject to the jurisdiction” means.


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/457/202
     
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    The amendment is written in plain English, and jurisdiction has meant the same thing for the entirety of US history as a country. The meaning comes from English common law. Has nothing to do with democrats. Has to do with the actual words in the amendment.
     

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