How is that ANY different than what you’re asserting about men? You don’t look at their perspective any further than “they may have a point but… oh well”. That’s not respecting their perspective that’s completely ignoring and considering it wholly irrelevant in the discussion. You’re acting like you have some high horse to ride when it’s a donkey. That somehow I’m less considerate of you because I refuse to take into consideration the women. But you have no problem not taking into consideration the men. That doesn’t make you any better than what you’re accusing me of.
I'm all in favor of holding men responsible for the children they father; I have no problem with that at all. The laws do, because a great many men have no intention of paying up and have proven pretty good at dodging it. . But fathers don't get pregnant and go through all that entails for 9 months; they don't go through labor, they don't nurse babies and don't have to work for a year to try and lose the weight gain and restore their belly, and most of them do not change diapers if they can avoid it. While both are responsible for creating the pregnancy- carrying it through is 99.9% on her. So things are not at all equal in that process- and the time afterwards the bulk of the responsibility will still fall mostly on the mother. If a woman leaves you she usually takes her children with her. If you leave her- she will still be have the kids. That will be true in almost all circumstances. So you are unhappy that people don't feel sorry for you, and share your anti-woman attitude. Well- you will just have to be unhappy, because I don't feel sorry for you either. Since you didn't seek to prevent a pregnancy in the first place, you can't really say you have any more right to decide than she does, and since the burden would have fallen so heavily on her side, I'd say she has more. She also may not have seen you as a viable husband/partner, I don't know- but whatever was between you, it wasn't enough. Abortion isn't something women would choose to experience just to see what it was like. They would love to not be facing that choice. You helped her get there, intentionally or negligently- but it was her choice to make because you were not the one who was pregnant. You were the one who wanted to dictate her choice, and whatever you offered wasn't good enough to make her feel otherwise. Long past time to move on.
That’s okay I’m fine with that line of thought. That’s exactly the line of thought I had when I heard Roe V Wade is going to get overturned. I don’t feel sorry for them at all. I hope not only does it get overturned but I hope the republicans make it federal law and include a murder charge for any woman and doctor engaging in it. Y’all have dictated our choice for over half a century. And you gleefully tell us to deal with it. Now it’s our turn. You don’t like it? Go to Canada. They don’t like it? They can keep their legs closed and stop being whores
Life is easier if you learn to think straight, learn where your power is and is not. Neither law or religion will prevent abortions, they have been happening all through history. All that Roe V Wade did is to allow them to happen under medical expertise, which greatly reduced the number of deaths, trauma and damage to women. It's never been your permission or denial or that of anybody else- it always been the decision of the woman. The laws may drive it underground again, but that would be futile and serve nothing but emotional righteousness. You DO NOT have the power to change that, nobody does. What you do have the power to control is yourself- and if you do that well and wisely, you will not be fathering babies with women who aren't ready to have babies with you. That is how it is. If you can grasp that as a truth can act wisely. Hope you do.
Oh nah I’m good cause I found a woman who had ethics and character. But I beg to differ with you. Make abortion murder, and will you have some? Of course. Will you have even remotely close to the nearly 1,000,000 every year? Not a chance. Furthermore if a woman is stupid enough at that point to open her legs and risk getting pregnant with a baby she doesn’t want and knows she’s going to try to abort… and if said woman is so stupid as to compound this “problem” by sticking a coat hanger inside herself, when she goes to the hospital for an infection which makes her sterile for the rest of her life, she pretty much deserves the consequences. But she won’t have to worry about that cause hopefully she will spend the rest of her child bearing years behind bars for capital murder.
Obviously, your girlfriend didn't concern herself with the risk of pregnancy any more than you did. She should have, because virtually all the consequences fell on her, and you weren't acting responsibly toward protecting either of you. People often find too late that they are in bed with the wrong person. It's called human error. I agree with holding men responsible, and in this case your share of guilt is equal.
Lol I quit school and got a (relatively) good job. And started a ln education savings account before the baby was 2 months inside of her. I was 20 and moved us both into a new place. She was fine with it until she realized she had (unexpectedly) got accepted into NYU. Then she said that this baby wasn’t compatible with her goals. So she murdered it. For the record I wasn’t the one shoving his claws into her ass pulling her in while screaming not to pull out.
LOL, right on schedule,.... the festering misogyny ooozes out eventually after all the usual crap... So you want women to have more kids for men to pay for.... But men wouldn't have to pay for their children if they quit having sex....why can't they??
I love sex I think it’s awesome lol I dislike the way the laws are contradictory and a complete double standard in regards to the OUTCOME of that sex. If a man has sex and the consequence of that sex is pregnancy, the man is expected to shoulder 100% of the consequences of his actions and has been ever since Roe V Wade was ruled on. Whereas the woman doesn’t have to shoulder ANY responsibility if she doesn’t want to. Furthermore if the man doesn’t want the child and the woman does she can force him to pay for it or send his ass to prison for not paying child support. For a child that he doesn’t want whereas if she doesn’t want it, she just kills it with absolutely no input from the father. Why? Because apparently it’s “unfair” to tell a woman that she needs to shoulder the consequences of her actions in regards to pregnancy but is COMPLETELY FINE to tell a man that he needs to be responsible for his actions in regards to a pregnancy.
No, despite the vagina /uterus envy it is NOT about pregnancy, it's about "men" supporting their BORN children....and if they don't want to they can just quit having sex Post 109...still unanswered
You’re missing the point…. On purpose I’m fairly certain. The point is if a man doesn’t want to have the baby and the woman does he has no recourse. Whereas if the woman doesn’t want the baby and the man does, she can just kill it. And she doesn’t ever have to worry about paying child support. Because instead of taking responsibility like men are expected to do, she can just shirk her responsibility as she pleases. As for your question in 109… I have no problem with men being held accountable for their choices. I just believe that we should do the same to women. Which we are about to do.
Give this some further thought. A man who abandons the woman he impregnated is at most inconvenienced by the payment of child support. He's still not changing diapers, getting up in the middle of the night to care for a sick child, trying to find someone to care for the child while he works to support it's home, not having his daily schedule forced to totally revolve around the need of the child. Child support is also often very hard to collect, often requires her to hire a lawyer and spend money she won't have. This is something that dominates the life of a mother as a single parent- and can't be transferred to an absentee father. The roles here are not at all equal in cases like this. IF both people accepted responsibility for themselves, both would have taken precautions and not trusted the other to do so. So while both are responsible for a pregnancy, the nature of the situation places vastly more burden on the mother than the father. Using figures from a government 2015 report- only 60% of ordered child support is actually paid. The average received was $287.00 a month. That was not enough to pay for the day care of one child anywhere in the US- actually about only about half of it, even in the lower cost states. If you project the burden, the impact of being a single parent on the life of the mother, it's easy to see why she may well question her ability to survive the conditions pregnancy and single parenthood might bring. It also greatly impacts her ability to find a partner in the future, and it can strongly impact the quality of the relationship if she does. Put yourself in that position if you can.
This is mostly untrue. I know plenty of single mothers who raised their child on their own without a penny from Dad. Is men don't want the responsibility of raising a child they should keep it in their pants
I don’t have a problem with the idea that the man should be responsible even if he’s FORCED to have a child he doesn’t want. He needs to accept he made a stupid choice and now he has to take responsibility for that choice. I agree 100000% percent. Again that’s not the point. He should be responsible for a child who exists because he made a choice. And I think it is acceptable to force him to do so using the law. But I ALSO think that women should have to do the same. If men are FORCED to have a child and then FORCED to take care of that child even if they don’t want it, then so should a woman. OR if you don’t like the idea of forcing the woman to do have a child, that’s fine too. But then you can’t force the man to take care of a baby through threat of jail time if he doesn’t want it. Pick one. I don’t care which. But I do care that as it currently stands it’s unequal in EVERY sense of the word.
Yup. Men typically get a high five while women are sluts who can't keep their legs closed. It's sick.
There are a lot of things to not like in this issue. One that most people ignore is the quality of the child's life after the fact. To have a really good shot at successful life, a child needs to begin it in a sound environment that is nurturing and caring. Doesn't have to be rich- but love, guided by mature adults, not ones still coping with their own shortcomings, but ones able to model the right ways to cope with life. That generally means the parent also have to see that as a goal, not just a duty or obligation; they must have a need to see that child thrive. Thus- the mindset of the parents, their qualifications to the task of building an adult, are critical to our society being composed of solid people. It's complex, but if we were to look 20-40 years in the future, it's obvious that what we do today will have a hand in shaping it, shaping the adults of tomorrow... and tomorrow is always coming soon. No parent "forced" to have a child can do that job well. The mindset is not there, it is contaminated with the resentments and frustrations- and for some, the child will be a constant reminder of what they think might have been if not for that child. Not a way to raise strong happy kids- and certainly not kids that will grow up to be great parents. We change tomorrow by making the right choices for the future- not the moment.
Women do NOT have a "responsibility" to gestate. No, Anti-Choicers are trying to take away women's choice and the right to bodily autonomy. I am sorry you can't tell the difference between the born and unborn but it's a huge difference. No, despite the vagina /uterus envy it is NOT about pregnancy, it's about "men" supporting their BORN children....and if they don't want to they can just quit having sex WHY do you want kids born to people who do not want them? Don't you like children ??
Probably because the alternative you're proposing is to just have them killed. That's worse. You get that, right? Now there are certainly better options than just leaving them in a home where they're unwanted and at risk for neglect / abuse. Foster care, adoption, even some state institution might be an improvement. Killing them is not an improvement.
FoxHastings said: ↑ ... WHY do you want kids born to people who do not want them? Don't you like children ?? No, I never advocated killing children...
You mean like when a gynocentrist court tells a man he has to pay alimony? Use his body as a slave in forced labor to give away his money? Or to pay child support for a child that isn’t his? You got it all wrong. Courts force men to relinquish their bodily autonomy every day.
