The face mask bashing has begun. Soon to be physical bashing of elderly and vulnerables.

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  1. MrTLegal

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    Accurate, but doesn't address the fact that the infected are still contagious before they show symptoms, and a significant percentage will never show symptoms.
     
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    Less than 1% of the US population has a confirmed case of covid, the spreaders as we might call them, and one would hope that most of them are not out in public in the first place. So why should the other 99% of the population be wearing a mask that isn't designed to do them any good?

    When I say wearing masks is 99% political correctness and 1% prevention, I say that because that's about what it is.
     
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    No, they are designed for sanding/dusting/woodworking/gardening/etc...
     
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    It's largely just hypochondria and/or virtue signaling.
     
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    The masks are designed to benefit the people around them and when you are out in public, around people, and especially in situations where you can not maintain social distancing, then the masks provided a significant level of protection to ensure that you do not spread the virus to others and some protection to ensure that you do not get infected yourself.

    While less than 1% of the population has been confirmed as infected, experts estimate that the true rate of infection (including those who have been exposed and recovered) is roughly 7-8x higher. Now that is only 3-4% of the US population, but that also means that nearly 1/30th of the country is/was infected without a confirmed diagnosis.
     
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    I'm not right wing, and I never wear a mask in public. Not since this thing broke out in March, and nearly three months out, I still haven't had a cough. People really got to stop being afraid of this virus.
     
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    People have been scared sh!tless by the so-called "Experts" and media pundits on both sides of the aisle as if this virus is a "life or death" situation. I haven't worn a mask since this sting broke out in March, and I haven't had even a cough. And its been long enough that I know for a fact I'm not asymptomatic. People will come back out, we simply need to stop scaring them to death with this jargon.
     
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    I'd say your numbers represent how the respective countries count the covid deaths.
     
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    ...why should people stop being afraid of a virus that has killed 100,000 Americans in ~10 weeks?
     
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    That would be great, if it wasn't for asymptomatic spreaders. In fact, if transmission would only be from symptomatic people, we wouldn't even have a pandemic right now.

    And then, there are those like the two people in the hair salon, who exposed more than a 100 customers while being symptomatic. I guess some people just don't care.
     
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    there is some confusion on masks, when there was a mask shortage, the Trump admin told us they did not work, then as we got more masks, they told us they did work when they wanted to relieve public fears, now people don't know what to believe
     
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    Some people will never change after this! I suspect some folk will demand blood test records before they have dinner with people or have them over to their isolation chambers. I doubt many ever set foot in a club, stadium or good old fashion dance.. Hell if that were the alternative to risking a case of COVID I'd take the COVID in heartbeat even if it meant my last!

    Screw living like they do ATM and how they will after this! And you damn well know every flu season from this day forward will be a tragedy for these out of the closet and newly created hypochondriac!
     
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    Trump's not afraid, that is why he tests his staff daily and take an unproven prophylactic to prevent him from getting the disease
     
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    That's why you should mask and goggle up, cant be to careful as Karen says..
     
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    100,000 Americans versus at least 1.5 million documented cases and counting. People can take solace in the fact more have recovered than died from these stats. Problem is that message isn't as sexy as fear mongering. To add to the mix, let's look at the very real possibility that these people aren't dying from COVD, but rather are dying from heart failure or another underlying condition. Calling it death by COVID is just more eye popping, when that might not actually be on the death certificate itself.
     
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    Not true, a fourteen day incubation period trashes that nonsense claim!
     
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    If more people died from the virus than recovered, that would be a mortality rate north of 50%. A mortality rate of 1-3% is scary enough.

    And yes, Covid-19 is listed on the death certificate.
     
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    I hardly agree with anything you post, but on this COVID ordeal you Sir have been spot on in every respect :thumbsup:
     
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    How many recovered and that without a vaccine or cure? I know it not good leftist to mention the positive, please pardon my rudeness ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    Again, we're focusing on the gloom and doom. It's sad that 100,000 people are with god, not with us but the good news is we have 1.4 million that now possess antibodies that could go toward a cure.
     
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    The current recorded recovery rate in the US is around 480,000 and that is with several States, some of which are the hardest hit, not reporting on recovery numbers. I went through and did a cursory and conservative level analysis and said that the number of recovered should be around 230,000 higher.

    So that would leave the virus with a case fatality rate of around 14.3%.
     
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    A) It is a mistake to assume that all who currently have the virus will surive.
    B) I agree that it is a good thing this virus is not more lethal.
    C) It's current level of lethality and infectiousness is scary enough.
     
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    To put this further into context, how many people have died from suicide, drug abuse on the east coast, or gun violence? Thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, and it happens every day. And with this lockdown, its likely we will see an uptick in the suicide body count as people run out of money and hope in any real reopening of the country. The cure is worse than the initial injury in this regard.
     
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    Well there is your problem, cherry picking instead of comprehensive ;)
     
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    It is unsettling, but not a reason to lock yourself inside. 100-year old's have recovered from this virus, and I'm confident kids have as well. Driving is lethal, you can get t-boned by a semi and killed on impact. Thousands die from car accidents every year. Should we fear getting into a car? No. At the onset, it seems like an apples to oranges comparison but its not. There's still a lethal aspect to driving like there is a lethal aspect to this virus. Not infectious, but still potentially lethal.

    And you're right, one can be mistaken to believe that everyone who gets this virus will recover, but a majority of the cases in the US have.
     

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