The Failed Cover-Up

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  1. spiritgide

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    ALL facts.
     
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    Wrong again. In a normal circumstance everyone on the diplomatic and NSC team having to do with Ukraine would get access to a call between T&Z so they can stay appraised of current relations. This call was put in a high level, classified server so that only a select group of people could get access. The reason..........it was recognized by the WB, Vindman, Eisenberg, and WH lawyers as highly damaging to Don should the content of the call be revealed. Since the transcript became public an impeachment inquiry has been authorized, a parade of officials have testified to the damning nature of the call and the behind the scenes work of people like Sondland to extort Zelensky for Don's personal benefit.
     
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    What facts specifically..............he asked.........trying to stop his debate opponent from dodging the question?
     
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    My argument that it is illegal to disclose (or even lose) confidential material has no merit???? You must be kidding. I know nothing about the whistleblower. For all I know he has clearance, though I know nothing about his need to know. Or maybe his informants simply broke the law. Who knows..... besides Schiff?
     
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    I never ever said that Confidential material cannot be disclosed to those with a clearance and a need to know. What has your point to do with anything?

    That is all opinion and has no probative value whatsoever. That is why it is a no-op. Might it be damaging if known? Of course. What Trump had for breakfast will likely be damaging. Gladiators at the gate can do tons of damage over any little thing that strikes their fancy.
     
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    Since this call contained nothing of a highly sensitive nature pertaining to national security the diplomatic and NSC team having to do with Ukraine would normally get access to a call between T&Z so they can stay appraised of current relations. BUT IN THIS CASE THEY COULDN'T. WHY? Because it was put in a highly secure server. WHY? The reason..........it was recognized by the WB, Vindman, Eisenberg, and WH lawyers as highly damaging to Don should the content of the call be revealed.
     
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    Who cares? The Whistleblower went through his IG, who then went to the DNI, who then went to the White House attorney and the DoJ. The ultimate question is whether or not a President is entitled to by-pass his own government apparatus and conduct a "shadow foreign policy" for his personal benefit?
     
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    There are people who can't tell the difference in a fact and a fart.
    So, as Monty Python's writing directs- you just fart in their general direction, and they suddenly think they know something- but want others to argue about their discovery as if they actually did.

    The dems have long since used up all the allowance for free, stupid questions. IF they are denied answers, it is because they don't deserve answers, and pay no attention to answers they don't like. Facts are irrelevant, because theirs is not a search for truth, but a pursuit of opportunities for slander, to imply, to allege, to in any way do damage.
    There are a lot of things you are obviously confused about, but you do know the truth of that- you know it is FACT.
    Dodge that one.
     
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    There's nothing to dodge.............just :blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:.
     
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    The whistleblower works for the CIA.
    You would have better luck if you had some pertinent facts to use instead of trying to argue technicalities. But alas you don't, so you search for some excuses that really don't change the facts.
     
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    Point out whatever "technicalities" you denigrate as not factual..... and try to explain how technicalities are not pertinent.
     
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    Yes- and especially considering that most of the left's attacks on Trump are based on technicalities and variables they try to construe and define as violations.
     
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    Every investigation into Donald Trump have uncovered legitimate violations that have resulted in guilty pleas and imprisonment for his minions. He has avoided that fate because of his position thus far but that is in the process of changing and once it does the courts and individuals will be free to prosecute. Likely this plays deeply into his need to stay in power as even he has to understand what awaits him on the outside.
     
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    Yes, some people's technicalities are other people's nooses.
     
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    So, you would class the rail-roading of Flynn and his guilty plea made to protect his family from the threats of prosecutors as "justice".
    That's the problem of the left in a nutshell.
     
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    Have A Nice Day:)
     
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    There is nothing wrong with your technicalities. They just have nothing to do with the facts of the case.
     
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    You mean they have nothing to do with your fantasy of the case.
     

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