The Fair Vote

It's not a straw man the Constitution is clear .

 

I'm not at all surprised you think so well of North Korea, your Dearl Leader and theirs are so similar.

 

You said trump didn't get the popular vote, little Kim and Hillary did, think.

Hillary and little Kim are the ones alike

 

The will of the people, neither one would have become president as more people voted against them than for them. Twisting things around isn't a good thing. Perhaps humor involved?

 

The Founders would have balked at handing the country over to the east and west coast major cities. YOu have no idea how the American election was designed to work or why and arguing with you is pointless. It's like arguing with a child over a toy over a toy and all they do is sit and scream "MINE". Truth is the Presidency belongs to all of us and that is why that election differs from any other.

 

You badly need a civics refresher. One of us understands what is and the other keeps whining about what they believe should be. History only supports one.

 

You made up an argument and attributed it to me. Don’t do that and I won’t call you on it.

 

Lol, it’s like you skipped 6th grade civics entirely.

 

So another strawman from you? Lol

 

And I’m pointing out that the EC creates an environment of affirmative action, instead of 1 voter 1 vote. It needs to go.

 

You made up a argument and attributed it to me. Don’t do that and I won’t point it out.

 

Where are you getting lost? Clinton received more votes than any other candidate. She was the people’s choice.

 

Only the electors chosen by the several sovereign states vote for the president. Nobody else can. Read the constitution.

 

Strawman

 

I'm simply correcting you. You claimed people other than the state appointed electors voted for the office of president.

 

what you are doing is making up an argument and attributing it to me, and then arguing against that. I’m just calling you on it.

Strawman

 

Sez you, without the slightest historical substantiation.

You - and a LOT like you - think that the way The Founders thought-up the Constitution two centuries ago was the best-way possible. Their only concern at that time was how to handle the south, because the northern-whites expected the southern-blacks to be freed (as had been done in the north).

England was one of the last European countries to abolish slavery. (The history of the abolishment of slavery by European countries - which owned most of colonial properties needing them as a workforce - is checkered. If interested, see it related here.)

My point being that mainly northerners seeking to create from the colonies an independent state did not know how to make it "entirely free". The southerners were absolutely against any emancipation of slavery - these colonies depended upon it some significant fortunes that were built upon it.

So, the Constitution simply sidestepped the matter, which was not settled until 1864, with the end of the Civil War after 620K deaths. In December of the following year the law abolishing slavery was passed. Which settled nothing, really. Blacks are still trying to attain a sense of economic parity with whites in America.

And this is just one item in the answer to the question: Is the US a perfect-country or does it need further development in some basic principles of democracy? (Like the one just mentioned.)

I won't be starting that particular debate here. But it remains a bone-of-contention in the US nonetheless. Whyzat? Because it touches upon a red-hot subject that motivates aggressively one of the two major parties that refuses to address it.

That of Income Disparity by race in America - see for yourself in this infographic here - more than two centuries after its inception, we are still a racially divided country economically ...

 

Only electors chosen by the several sovereign states vote for the president.

 

Strawman

 

I accept your concession.

 

Calling you out for making up an argument and attributing it to me is not a concession. Lol

 

You didn't say that millions of people voted for the president?

 

I didn’t say people directly elect the president. That is your strawman.

 

She wasn't, More people didn't want her than did. It's quite simple. She wasn't wanted by 52% of all Americans. Last time I looked 52 beats 48 unless it is this new math they're teach kids in school today. The will of at least 52% of Americans was to say no to Clinton vs. 48% who said yes.

So does 48% represent the will of the American people or does the 52%? The will of 48% was to make Hillary president, no doubt. The will of 52% was that she didn't become president.

 

Well, math shows she was.