The Free markets simply CANNOT manage affordable healthcare.

Meh. 50% of healthcare was managed by government before Obamacare. No it is even a greater percentage. The free-market provides incentives for lowering the cost. Government provides no such incentive and in fact makes it worse.

 

I have no time to debate with misinformed people but i'll educate you. Healthcare is more cost effective (by a lot) than in the US in Countries with nationalized healthcare or nationalized insurance (single payer). Compare the costs between Canada, UK and US and then let's talk. Educate yourself in this matter, there is plenty of info out there, then perhaps we can talk as informed individuals.

 

Socialized health care is just the fat stealing from the thin. Go out and lose some weight, fatties--and quit picking the pockets of your betters!

 

the fat steal from the thin in free markets too, they increase costs across the board and the free markets will seek to cover the costs.

as i have mentioned before, the biggest problem we have in USA is the unhealthily habits compared to other Countries. Everything here is about largeness, a small coke here is like an extra large coke in Europe and the amount of carbs Americans eat is crazy, not to mention sugar. The US has a massive massive problem with obesity related problems - heart disease, diabetes etc... There are so many other problems like prescription drug addictions. If all of sudden, people actually took care of themselves more, costs across the board would plummet but there are few incentives in the healthcare industry, why is that? Why don't politicians talk about preventive care and instead about the endless government vs free market BS? Whether it's government or free markets, NEITHER can do ANYTHING about the high costs of the millions of Americans who are unhealthy by their own choosing. Time to start providing incentives for people to adopt healthier habits and penalizing those who don't, time to focus on preventive care. Again, the root of all the problems is unhealthy people and the best way to control costs is to address this in a proactive manner. Of course, there is a conflict of interest as the drug companies and healthcare providers profit off the sick so is there really an incentive for the free markets to cure people? Then drug companies and healthcare providers would make less money - less need for drugs, less need for surgeries, less need for doctors... Why would these entities want healthier Americans? and who will provide the push to make people healthier, not treat them once they are unhealthy and when in crisis?

 

Nope. The fat have to pay for their own care and thus they pay for being fat.

Health insurance companies will. Their perfect customer is someone who never gets sick and makes all their payments on time. If there was a free market in health insurance, they would charge people different rates based on their health. If you want a discount on your health insurance, lose 50 lbs and you'll get it.

 

You said:

Laws and 'We the People', give us our right.

Please cite the text of the first amendment that gives us -- that is, grants us - the right to free speech.

 

Oversight is not development. Money is not development.

The ACA funds nothing of development. And the education system just gets worse every year instead of better. These are perfect examples of how the government can *NOT* do development.

Again, absence of proof is not proof of absence.

And you are correct. There is no need for you to read further. All you have to offer is willful ignorance.

 

You wouldn't listen. So why should I bother.

 

Genesis 9:6 "“Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed,
for God made man in his own image."

James 2: 1-4 "My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. while you say to the poor man, “You stand over there,” or, “Sit down at my feet,” have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?"

Why must the Native Americans have a *different* creator? That's an unsupported assumption. Can you support that assumption?

If you can't find the words of the Creator then you haven't bothered to look.

And I also know that you don't care about anything except moral relativism. Moral relativism means no one can judge your actions so you are free to do as you please. It's the ultimate place where extreme narcissists go!

 

Yes and only a fool would point to it as an example of good, affordable health coverage for all.

No it doesn't. It provides incentives for collaboration between insurance companies. This idea of "one size fits all (businesses)" is blind, uninformed parroting of propaganda. Some services and businesses are best handled by private industry rather than government, and some services are best provided by government rather than private businesses. There is no question that healthcare is one that is best provided by government.

With government coverage there is no incentive to cheat, deny, exclude, or make a profit. There is no need for maintaining an investment fund. There is no need for advertising. There is no need for a large claims department to figure out how to deny claims and make a bigger profit. There is no need for a large legal department to figure out how to walk a fine line and yet avoid illegal activities and policies. The compensation of health insurance company CEOs is currently the highest of all U.S. industries. There is not need for that in a government program either.

And what's more, every other developed country proves you are entirely wrong on this.

 

Then please, list 2 or 3 "inherent rights". In fact, one will do.

 

Those are not the words of a creator. A human wrote those words and there is no proof he got them fro a creator. If he did, why has no one else gotten them too?

You haven't found them. You parrot the writings of man.

OH, a personal attack works when all else fails!! YES!!

 

Without the collective money, taxes, those programs never get off the ground.

It's not willful ignorance when I'm ignoring something you can't even explain as real.
Give something concrete to talk about.
You won't even give us the words that said Creator(s) have given us to show us we have these rights you are claiming we got.

 

I absolutely would. Everyone would listen if you can give us the words from said 'Creator(s)'.
So please do bother.

 

Where are the rights you claim this creator gave? Those are the words you claim we have to run the country by.
Romans 13,1
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

So that means all those communits, marxist gov'ts were ordained by God. So much for the claim that God has given each individual some special rights.

 

He's resorted to personal attacks a couple of times. A sign the person has no real argument.

 

why? You can't read it?

 

Just as I thought:
You are fully aware of the fact you cannot cite the text from the 1st that gives us -- that is, grants us - the right to free speech.

So much for your claim that "Laws and 'We the People', give us our right."

 

We only have the free speech that the laws say we do, mostly in the form of no laws. And our form of gov't says, We the People, elect our gov't.
No laws on speech means we can say anything to anyone, any place in time without repercussions. There are instances where one can't do that.
And if the gov't so chooses, they could restrict any other speech, if We the People allow it.

If this is an inalienable right to all humans, then every country in the world should have unlimited free speech.
So I guess, it's not, for all humans.
Unless this 'Creator(s)', only meant the USA should have its rights.

 

If the free market can manage food production, distribution and sales, why again can't the free market manage health care?

 

Please cite the text of the law that GIVES us the right to free speech, as per your claim.

 

It can.
Those that seek state involvement - especially those that seek single-payer - only seek state control over the lives on The People.

 

Absence of proof doesn't mean proof of absence!

The Word of the Creator.

Actually it is NOT a personal attack. I learned about how to tell the difference back in the old Compuserve days using a 110baud dialup modem. Show me the personal attack if you can!

 

So what? The government didn't *do* the development. It was done in the private economy!

The government can't even get us back into space in a meaningful way. We have a privately funded company today that is planning on a moon installation by the end of 2018. Where is the government?

Can you *see* an atom? How do you know it is real? Do you just take others word for it? How do you know gravity is real? You can't see it or hold it in your hand. Do you just take it on faith that it exists based on what you see happening around you?

I have. Our rights do not come from man, they come from the Creator. And you refuse to read John Locke's writings on the subject.

Like I said, when I give you the words you won't listen.

 

This comparison doesnt really stack up though.

A.) Lack of a specific model of an apple computer wont possibly kill you.
B.) Apple can make more computers easily and cheaply. The same cannot be done in medicine.